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Poorly-structured ramble on spirituality (possible conversion)
Posted: Posted December 25th, 2017 by nullfather

On this day, supposedly when a suspiciously white man was born to a Middle Eastern couple and proceeded to make things really uncomfortable for a lot of people, I have been thinking about spirituality and religion a lot.

While I'm an atheist, there are a lot of spiritual ideas that I think have a great purpose. It is not that they are literally correct, but that they can be useful mental tools. But, then again, what difference is there between viscerally believing and employing a belief? Belief does not assume irrationality, so someone who simply believes and someone who employs a belief can appear completely similar in any given interaction.

There are contexts in which I might use the terminology of a deist or a neoplatonist, both very useful theosophical systems to answer the tomfoolery of plebeian theists and antitheists. In my mind, very few debates match the absurd hubris and lack of rational rigor that "God exists and I have knowledge of Him" and "God doesn't exist and I have knowledge of this" possess. These are thoughtforms made viral by their respective movements - cultural, ideological, mental arms and armor. Why should I not enter the fray with my own, instead of sitting aside, allowing others to fight a battle for the wider beliefs of man? Thoughts inform actions, and these various movements influence the thoughts of those around me while protecting them from the thoughts of others. Religion is a psychological and cultural immune system. Why should I live without one?

There's nothing wrong with religion. It simply means to dedicate yourself to something. It doesn't mean blind belief and it doesn't mean becoming a drone. It doesn't mean doing what someone tells you. It doesn't mean you have to work against those of other religions. I've defined myself as "technically religious" for a good while, being dedicated to certain values cloaked in religious forms. But now I think that that area of my life is growing deeper and stronger. This is certainly related to my other relatively recent changes in mentality and fitness. I am moving away from the lax counter-culture and towards serious self-actualization. I am seeking the ontology of my virtue. I may have to describe it myself, but that is not an issue. If anything, that's far more preferable than adopting another.

I've been collecting ideas for a while now. Technically, my entire life, but recently for a specific purpose. As I've briefly mentioned here before, I'm creating a manifesto. Or, if you prefer, a scripture. It may be a more appropriate term for it at this point. I may have the basics finished by the turn of the year, but certainly sometime in January. Either way, 2018 is set to be the year where I become unironically religious.

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In my mind, very few debates match the absurd hubris and lack of rational rigor that "God exists and I have knowledge of Him" and "God doesn't exist and I have knowledge of this" possess.


That isn't a debate. It's personal reasons to believe based on experience. Well, it's personal reasons to believe based on experience for the former at the least. There is nothing to argue because you can't prove or disprove it.

These are thoughtforms made viral by their respective movements


(insert joke about tulpas being capable of existing beyond us here since they're also called thoughtforms)

But now I think that that area of my life is growing deeper and stronger. This is certainly related to my other relatively recent changes in mentality and fitness. I am moving away from the lax counter-culture and towards serious self-actualization. I am seeking the ontology of my virtue. I may have to describe it myself, but that is not an issue. If anything, that's far more preferable than adopting another.


Congratulations, you have went from one way of thinking to another way of thinking that probably won't actually matter much.

But WHY is that better is what I want to know. If something works that already exists why would you need to create something new? Chances are your virtue and views already exist in something... preexisting. And you already seem to acknowledge some of those... religions. So what makes this something relevant instead of something for your ego?


I've been collecting ideas for a while now. Technically, my entire life, but recently for a specific purpose. As I've briefly mentioned here before, I'm creating a manifesto. Or, if you prefer, a scripture. It may be a more appropriate term for it at this point. I may have the basics finished by the turn of the year, but certainly sometime in January. Either way, 2018 is set to be the year where I become unironically religious.


And you expect this to be relevant or something in a sea of information? Judging by your comment here

Thoughts inform actions, and these various movements influence the thoughts of those around me while protecting them from the thoughts of others. Religion is a psychological and cultural immune system. Why should I live without one?


and the fact that you are making a scripture, it seems as if you intend to make some sort of impact. You would more than likely simply be borrowing from ideas that have already existed and jumbling them together. So again I wonder, why not just stick with what already exists and works for you? It's effectively the same thing except this will have your name attached to it.

Edited December 25th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

There's nothing wrong with religion. It simply means to dedicate yourself to something. It doesn't mean blind belief and it doesn't mean becoming a drone.

That's really more of a sociological problem common among close knit isolated communities. It could happen under any subject be it religion or football.

Posted December 26th, 2017 by Louis De Pointe du Lac
Louis De Pointe du Lac
No love = No future

That's really more of a sociological problem common among close knit isolated communities. It could happen under any subject be it religion or football.


Of course. Though such an obvious statement is still lost on some.

Posted December 26th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

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Edited December 26th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

As for the rest of your post, if you want to invent a religion you certainly wouldn't be the first to do that.

But whatever your worldview is or is becoming, if you think it is original then las vegas bet is that it isn't. There have been a lot of ponderers in this world and throughout our history. In my case every time I thought I had an original philosophy I'd find some thinker from somewhere somewhen that already thought of it and put their flag on it.

Edited December 27th, 2017 by Louis De Pointe du Lac
Louis De Pointe du Lac
No love = No future

if you think it is original then las vegas bet is that it isn't.


I do not think that there is any existing belief system out there that completely encapsulates my worldview.

Originality for it's own sake is a fool's goal. Just because something is unique does not mean that it is useful. I am a man and many other people have had my experiences. The tools that have helped them can do similarly for me. The idea is to find the relevant combination of tools and pack them together in a way that's best and most expressive for me.

In fact, at the end of the post, I explicitly say that it's more like collecting ideas.

Edited December 27th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

Originality for it's own sake is a fool's goal.

You're right. The point is finding out the truth.

Posted December 27th, 2017 by Louis De Pointe du Lac
Louis De Pointe du Lac
No love = No future

The point is finding out the truth.


With this? Maybe, maybe not. I don't plan for this to be a literal claim about the world. I mean for it to be a powerful, inspiring interpretation of a personal mythos. To put it crudely, I mean for it to be a personal propaganda. That doesn't mean that it's going to be wrong or right. What I'll be making statements about will be internal, not external. My goal is adherence to MY truth.

Posted December 27th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

To put it crudely, I mean for it to be a personal propaganda. That doesn't mean that it's going to be wrong or right. What I'll be making statements about will be internal, not external. My goal is adherence to MY truth.

An angle of reality that is not objective but wholly your own to evaluate? Sounds phenomenological.

To put it crudely

Crudely? Lax counter-culture? Plebeian? Careful coming off a bit puffed up in places.

Posted December 27th, 2017 by Louis De Pointe du Lac
Louis De Pointe du Lac
No love = No future

Belief does not assume irrationality, so someone who simply believes and someone who employs a belief can appear completely similar in any given interaction.


It sounds like you've embraced Utilitarianism in that you're open to evaluating ethical principals without embracing spiritualistic dogmas surrounding them.

In my mind, very few debates match the absurd hubris and lack of rational rigor that "God exists and I have knowledge of Him" and "God doesn't exist and I have knowledge of this" possess.


This reminds me of when the internet was debating God's existence, and Dawkins wrote a popular book, and The Amazing Atheist and other YT channels were there, and creationism was hotly debated. Glad those days are over!

This is certainly related to my other relatively recent changes in mentality and fitness. I am moving away from the lax counter-culture and towards serious self-actualization.


It's better to be positively engaged than bored and uninterested. More power to you.

Posted January 2nd by Kaot0
Kaot0

Crudely? Lax counter-culture? Plebeian? Careful coming off a bit puffed up in places.


Ah, but Null just stated he doesn't care—

"To put it crudely, I mean for it to be a personal propaganda. That doesn't mean that it's going to be wrong or right. What I'll be making statements about will be internal, not external. My goal is adherence to MY truth."


An angle of reality that is not objective but wholly your own to evaluate? Sounds phenomenological.


At the end of the day, the belief that one can ever truly discover "The Truth™" is a personal philosophy unto itself. If someone wants to abandon their own self-actualization in pursuit of this mythical space unicorn known as "The Truth™" it is my opinion that they very well may be wasting their time. Life is for living, after all, not for being "righter" than everyone else.

As a Christian, I believe all truth is found in Christ. My life was given to me by God, therefore, I am to return my life to God with interest, as shown in the parable(s) of the talents (Matthew 25:14-25, Luke 19:12-28)

It is my experience that I would never have come to truly know of my condition and my standing before God if I believed I could forge my own path.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God-Is-Truthful

Posted January 2nd by Kaot0
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