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This feeds me for a couple of months. I just make a sandwich for lunch and it each jar lasts a month. For all that talk about vegan food being expensive, it just goes to show it's not that expensive if you avoid the luxury foods.



This just makes the cashew butter sandwiches even more delectable



I'm loving the vegan salad dressing.



I'm trying some enw stuff. That Beyond Beef was delicious, so much better than their Beyond Crumbles, but it's also a bit expensive. $10. I wish it was cheaper. However, I still made a terrific lasagna with it. Those cookies were great too.



Love Rockstars



That's what I normally have for breakfast along with an Orange Rockstar.

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Proof that vegan and healthy are not always on the same spectrum :\

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
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Idk, it looks reasonably healthy for a vegan-style metabolism.

Here's what my breakfast looks like for the most part:



I then add three handfuls of yellow cheese and a bunch of herbs and spices so that's most of what people see, but by weight it's mostly the image above.









Dinners vary a lot but resemble breakfast in food content.



Occasionally, I'll just cook up a bunch of meat in butter and a bunch of herbs and spices. Sometimes some egg yolk too.



Here's what it looks like after being cooked.

I don't eat lunch.

Posted August 6th by Xhin
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You changed the format for inserting images, Xhin. You used to post the link directly and the picture would automatically pop up..

I feel much better than when I wasn't vegan. I'm used to being the thinnest/fittest guy in any room I walk in. Everytime I see all my old friends, they're all fatter than me.

Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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I'm trying some enw stuff. That Beyond Beef was delicious, so much better than their Beyond Crumbles, but it's also a bit expensive. $10. I wish it was cheaper. However, I still made a terrific lasagna with it. Those cookies were great too.


Have you tried seitan? From what I hear it naturally has a chicken-like taste to it.

I also had edamame noodles for the first time the other night. Best pasta noodles ever, imo. Absurd amounts of protein too.

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You changed the format for inserting images, Xhin. You used to post the link directly and the picture would automatically pop up..


That still works but you have to actually have the image link in there -- you used the albums instead of the direct link.

Posted August 6th by Xhin
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I don't typically skip any meals, not even last year when I was consuming about 600 calories a day and walking 15 plus miles to lose weight per day.

My meals tend to be low calories. Like my breakfast typically consists of a Nature Valley Bar with a pack of raisins and an orange calorie Rockstar. The granola bars have 190 calories + 60 from the Raisins and anohter 20 from the Rockstar. Then I go for a 1 hour walk and I've already burned most of the calories. Lunch usually a peanut/almond butter and jam sandwich with Nature's Own wheat bread and Rockstar. Sometimes with a piece of fruit. Dinner usually vegetables (stirfry or alone) with some cereal and kiwis.

Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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Have you tried seitan? From what I hear it naturally has a chicken-like taste to it.

My vegan friend asked me if I had that and never did, but she said it wasn't good. I think I've seen it at the store, but haven't tried it. I love the gardein chik'n strips and especially the teriyaki style. That with some rice and vegetables is marvelous.


I also had edamame noodles for the first time the other night. Best pasta noodles ever, imo. Absurd amounts of protein too.

Mmmm sounds nice. I also buy rice and beans in bulk and it lasts me for months. I have a rice cooker, and often make too much rice for me since I live alone and it gets thrown out, and it still lasts for ages.. It's weird that you're eating so much carbs on the keto diet..

That still works but you have to actually have the image link in there -- you used the albums instead of the direct link.

I see...



Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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I don't typically skip any meals, not even last year when I was consuming about 600 calories a day and walking 15 plus miles to lose weight per day.


How do you spread 600 calories over three meals? That's like two bites per meal.

I kind of naturally drifted into eating twice per day. The times vary a lot though -- if I'm hungrier the meals will be closer together. Sometimes I catch myself and it's been 22 hours since I last ate.

My meals tend to be low calories


Same.

The granola bars have 190 calories + 60 from the Raisins and anohter 20 from the Rockstar.


Okay, maybe not in comparison to that.

Lunch usually a peanut/almond butter


Almond butter is excellent and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise, though I think sun butter is my favorite.

Sometimes with a piece of fruit.


What kind of fruit do you like?

Posted August 6th by Xhin
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I love the gardein chik'n strips and especially the teriyaki style.


What are they made out of? Soy?

It's weird that you're eating so much carbs on the keto diet..


The edamame noodles were pretty low -- I think around 8g net carbs per serving (fuckton of fiber). My vegetables are all extremely low -- leaves in particular you can eat like a bucket of them and barely scrape up a few carbs.

I see...


Right click, view image and paste that link. I fixed your post for you.


Posted August 6th by Xhin
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How do you spread 600 calories over three meals? That's like two bites per meal.


what the fuck are you eating that is 2 bites?



Posted August 6th by S.O.H.
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How do you spread 600 calories over three meals? That's like two bites per meal.

Irresponsibly...I was more concerned with losing weight than my nutritional needs. I'd have a pack of Nature Valley bars and orange rockstar. 200 calories. Breakfast and lunch. Pack of raising with another Rockstar for dinner. Yeah, sometimes it was even less than 600 calories.

I eat more calories now obviously since I don't need to lose weight. I still only consume around 1000 calories per day though.

Almond butter is excellent and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise, though I think sun butter is my favorite.

I love almond butter, cashew peanut butter, and peanut butter. I don't think I've had sun butter but I've seen it at the stores. I might try it provided it's vegan. You wouldn't believe how much stuff isn't vegan, either cause it contains milk, gelatin or honey. It's annoying.

What kind of fruit do you like?

Everything really. My favorite fruit is and possibly my favorite food is the Gold Kiwis. They're effing delectable. I also love pineapples, cantaloupe, cherries, grapes. Oh and I love Pink Lady Apples. What about you? Can you even eat fruit on that keto diet?



Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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What are they made out of? Soy?

They're so good, and yes soy.


The edamame noodles were pretty low -- I think around 8g net carbs per serving (fuckton of fiber). My vegetables are all extremely low -- leaves in particular you can eat like a bucket of them and barely scrape up a few carbs.

Damn how do you avoid constipation?

Right click, view image and paste that link. I fixed your post for you.

Thank you!


Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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I still only consume around 1000 calories per day though.


Are you sure? If you're not measuring everything out (or it's prepackaged like your bars) you tend to be underestiating your calories.

I don't think I've had sun butter but I've seen it at the stores. I might try it provided it's vegan.


It's like pure sunflower seeds so you should be okay.

You wouldn't believe how much stuff isn't vegan, either cause it contains milk, gelatin or honey.


Oh man, I feel you there, except replace animal products with randomly added starch or sugar. Most canned vegetables are loaded with sugar for example, while canned and processed meats of any kind are half starch sometimes.

honey


Why isn't honey vegan? It's just regurgitated plant nectar. Similar to the way pollination works.

What about you? Can you even eat fruit on that keto diet?


Most of them are way way too sweet now. However, vegetables now taste quite sweet so I eat a lot of them. My favorites there are red bell peppers (the big ones, not the "sweet" ones, those are too sweet), tomatoes, green onions, green cabbage, pickles (again, the ones that aren't sweetened). If I want something that tastes like candy used to, I might eat half a grapefruit or some strawberries or a black plum.


Posted August 6th by Xhin
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Damn how do you avoid constipation?


Magnesium. I eat a good bit of sunflower seed kernels, as well as hemp seeds in my breakfast when I'm not broke (hemp seeds are expensive for some reason). I like peanuts as well. Keep meaning to try chia seeds but it's an investment.

Posted August 6th by Xhin
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On an unrelated note, I think I figured out the cheese (coconut and nutritional yeast maybe) but what on earth is in the ranch dressing? I've had vegannaise which used pea powder instead of egg yolk (honestly prefer vegannaise to mayonnaise for several reasons) but what are they replacing the sour cream with? I've never seen vegan sour cream on the shelves.

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Are you sure? If you're not measuring everything out (or it's prepackaged like your bars) you tend to be underestiating your calories.

Considering that I haven't gained weight and still weigh under 130, I'd think so Xhin. The calories on the bars seem to be pretty accurate. Usually if they're off it's not by a wide margin, the inaccuracies are negligible.

It's like pure sunflower seeds so you should be okay.

Hopefully no honey. I was dismayed when the almond butter I bought contained honey...

Oh man, I feel you there, except replace animal products with randomly added starch or sugar. Most canned vegetables are loaded with sugar for example, while canned and processed meats of any kind are half starch sometimes.

Yeah that's why I prefer buying them frozen. They're cheaper too and they taste better.

Why isn't honey vegan? It's just regurgitated plant nectar. Similar to the way pollination works.

For the same reason milk isn't vegan. Honesy is totally, undeniably, unarguably, unequivocably non-vegan. The honeybees are usually burned once honey season ends. Additionally, buying honey is bad for the native bes who the honeybees compete with for resources. The wild, native non-honeybees are the better polinators, but importing honeybees kills them. The idea that buying honey is helpful to bees is just lies promulgated by the honey industry, just like how keto arose as a response to the rise of plant-based diets.

Most of them are way way too sweet now. However, vegetables now taste quite sweet so I eat a lot of them. My favorites there are red bell peppers (the big ones, not the "sweet" ones, those are too sweet), tomatoes, green onions, green cabbage, pickles (again, the ones that aren't sweetened). If I want something that tastes like candy used to, I might eat half a grapefruit or some strawberries or a black plum.

Ever since I began avoiding gmos (as much as doable) I noticed a change in my sense of taste. I used to loathe vegetables and fruits, but I get so much from eating them now, especially when I cook vegetable dishes stirfry usually, but the other day I had vegan sushi and that was terrific. Was never a man of regular sushi, but this vegan sushi was superb. I attribute the change in my perception of taste to be my vegan diet, and it's opened up a whole new world, like I was missing out on so much good food before.

I admit that your diet is so alien and foreign to me; while too much sugar isn't good, the idea of cutting it out altogether is unthinkable.




Posted August 6th by Post-Wall Olga
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I like peanuts as well.

Me too. I bought a bag at the Asian store, it's lasted me for almost two weeks. It was a 3 lb bag and it cost $4. Good buy.

On an unrelated note, I think I figured out the cheese (coconut and nutritional yeast maybe) but what on earth is in the ranch dressing? I've had vegannaise which used pea powder instead of egg yolk (honestly prefer vegannaise to mayonnaise for several reasons) but what are they replacing the sour cream with? I've never seen vegan sour cream on the shelves.

It's comprised of a lot of things, but the two main ingredients are the low fat vegenaise which is made out of a lot of things: saffower soil, brown rice syrup, apple cider vinegar, olive oil, organic soymilk powder, sea salt, tapioca starch, olive oil, lemon juice concentrate, mustard flour, and so on. Theres more ingredients, but those are the main ones.

I've never had vegan sour cream so I can't answer your other question, Xhin..

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Considering that I haven't gained weight and still weigh under 130, I'd think so Xhin.


That's pretty low. How tall are you?

The calories on the bars seem to be pretty accurate. Usually if they're off it's not by a wide margin, the inaccuracies are negligible.


Well yeah the bars and packaged food are probably accurate, but what about the cereal, the peanut butter spread, the cookies, etc. The cookies alone are probably 100-200 calories each, if they're anything like non-vegan cookies.

Hopefully no honey. I was dismayed when the almond butter I bought contained honey...


Look for something unsweetened instead of something "whole" -- the whole movement would try to use something natural like honey, while the unsweetened crowd would just have the almonds, salt and maybe some kind of oil. Alternately, get the store brand -- sugar is waaaay cheaper so it'll have that.

Yeah that's why I prefer buying them frozen. They're cheaper too and they taste better.


Fresh for me, for the same reasons. Kale for example, I can get a whole giant bag of it for 99c.

The honeybees are usually burned once honey season ends. Additionally, buying honey is bad for the native bes who the honeybees compete with for resources.


Oh okay, it's an ethical thing, not an "avoid animal products" thing. Makes sense.

just like how keto arose as a response to the rise of plant-based diets.


lol no, keto's been around since the 1920's, banting since 1880 and some kind of low-carb diet was even popular/mainstream during the 70s (atkins). If the mainstream popularity is a response to anything, I'd say it has more to do with people being overweight/obese and continuously told to "just eat less". Keto makes a lot of sense there because your appetite basically just disappears so it becomes possible to "just eat less".

but the other day I had vegan sushi and that was terrific.


What do they make vegan sushi from? Soy?

I attribute the change in my perception of taste to be my vegan diet, and it's opened up a whole new world, like I was missing out on so much good food before.


Same, except again, opposite diets. Maybe the real problem is the heavily processeed greed-based food -- I've noticed processed products labeled "vegan" or even "organic" tend to be much much higher quality because they know their customers are actually going to be checking their shit out.

I admit that your diet is so alien and foreign to me; while too much sugar isn't good, the idea of cutting it out altogether is unthinkable.


I don't personally cut it out altogether. I do eat botanical fruits as I've mentioned and also quite like dark chocolate (80%). My intake is just very very low, which when compounded with the fact that I don't eat grass seeds (corn, wheat, rice, etc) or legumes (outside of peanuts) means I'm getting very few carbs per day (somewhere between 10-40g depending on what I'm eating).

Me too. I bought a bag at the Asian store, it's lasted me for almost two weeks. It was a 3 lb bag and it cost $4. Good buy.


That's pretty impressive -- I've been getting 1lb for 1.99$, granted those are roasted peanuts so they're pre-shelled. I did the math on it once and peanuts are a cheaper source of calories than eggs, though not a cheaper source of protein. They are however pretty far at the bottom, below any kind of meat and comparable to cheese.

Theres more ingredients, but those are the main ones.


What are the other ingredients? I'm curious.

Ranch dressing is normally made with mayonnaise and sour cream and then the usual assortment of spices/herbs/vinegar/etc. I've seen veganaise so that part makes sense, but the sour cream part doesn't. Maybe it's just some kind of thick oil.


Edited August 6th by Xhin
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That's pretty low. How tall are you?
5'9" Aren't you like 6'5"?

Well yeah the bars and packaged food are probably accurate, but what about the cereal, the peanut butter spread, the cookies, etc. The cookies alone are probably 100-200 calories each, if they're anything like non-vegan cookies.

I'm pretty persnickety about it and I make sure that the peanut/cashew/almond butter sandwiches only have one serve (two tablespoons). I only had those cookies once cause my friend recommended them to me but they only have 60 calories each. I had a couple a day only, and they lasted me 5 days. It's like you said those vegan foods are more expensive cause they're made with more wholesome ingredients, so the cookies don't have as much calories. As for cereal, I just fill up a small plasket bowl, eat with unsweetened cashew/almond milk, and I can infer that it's 300 calories or less.

Look for something unsweetened instead of something "whole" -- the whole movement would try to use something natural like honey, while the unsweetened crowd would just have the almonds, salt and maybe some kind of oil. Alternately, get the store brand -- sugar is waaaay cheaper so it'll have that.

You know what? that's true about honey. I went vegetarian again back in the summer of last year, and I still ate honey. At first, I was buying the honey flavored ketchup to avoid HFCS, and it wasn't the best ketchup but it was expensive, like a dollar more than the non-HFCS regular ketchup.

Thanks for the advice. I now know that the white one is honey-free, the blue one contains honey. I just carelessly grabbed it not expecting there to be a honey sweetened almond butter. But I think all the alternatives to peanut butter tend to be pricey - Cashew and almond butter are way more expensive, for a little 12 oz jar of each I pay $5 at walmart, whereas at Sam's I get two 40 0z jars of peanut butter for $7.

Oh okay, it's an ethical thing, not an "avoid animal products" thing. Makes sense.

I'm an ethnical vegan, yes, but my health improvements can't be denied since I stopped eating meat. I don't know how good keto is in the long-term, but it won't be a bad idea for you to research. Somehow, I dont think that diet is supposed to be long term.

lol no, keto's been around since the 1920's, banting since 1880 and some kind of low-carb diet was even popular/mainstream during the 70s (atkins). If the mainstream popularity is a response to anything, I'd say it has more to do with people being overweight/obese and continuously told to "just eat less". Keto makes a lot of sense there because your appetite basically just disappears so it becomes possible to "just eat less".

How long have you been keto? Why keto and not veganism? Did you have any doubts about keto before doing it?

What do they make vegan sushi from? Soy?

Soy? No. I didn't make it, but it was almost the same as regular sushi, except no fish. It was rice balls wrapped in sea food and avacado, lettuce, carrots, tofu and served with vegan mayo sriracha and it was delicious.

Same, except again, opposite diets. Maybe the real problem is the heavily processeed greed-based food -- I've noticed processed products labeled "vegan" or even "organic" tend to be much much higher quality because they know their customers are actually going to be checking their shit out.

Yeah that's true. This may sound crazy, but I actually prefer the taste of plant meats over flesh, even though everyone thinks I'm so disciplined and determined for being vegan. To me, it doesn't feel difficult, and it's not like I'm doing anything different. I'm not putting in any effort, and sometimes I ask myself if I really am vegan hehehe. But people have made it sound like it's such a painful hassle when it's actually not. Your diet would be much more extreme, restrictive and difficult for me to follow tbh.

Aren't you worried about cholesterol on your insane diet? I tried being a carnivore, Xhin, but couldn't last. Yesterday after I debated some carnivores, got bested and bowed to the superior logic of the baconologists,I tried eating meat for that day. Within 4 hours, I began feeling tired. My doctor said it was cause my arteries were clogging up. Additionally, there's no b12 in Mcdonald's hamburgers. WTH carnivores should stop being so pushy and understand that just cause eating meat works for someone doesn't mean it works for everyone. I probably would've avoided all this if I had just stuck with the fries.
I don't personally cut it out altogether. I do eat botanical fruits as I've mentioned and also quite like dark chocolate (80%). My intake is just very very low, which when compounded with the fact that I don't eat grass seeds (corn, wheat, rice, etc) or legumes (outside of peanuts) means I'm getting very few carbs per day (somewhere between 10-40g depending on what I'm eating).

Yeah dark chocolate's is pretty tasty. For all this talk about how veganism is extreme, very restricted etc, it doesn't feel that way to me, but your diet is something I could never do. No rice? No corn? No wheat? There goes all the staples to my diet...Most is actually vegan or at least vegetarian and the thought of eliminating most carbs altogether is just not practical.
Also your diet must be pretty expensive eating so much meat and cheese. I buy a 25 pound bag of rice for like $12 at Sam's and a 20 lb bag of beans for $7 and it lasts for ages. On your diet, I couldn't do that, I would have to buy meat which is never that cheap, my blood pressure would worsen, and it's just not a workable long-term diet.

That's pretty impressive -- I've been getting 1lb for 1.99$, granted those are roasted peanuts so they're pre-shelled. I did the math on it once and peanuts are a cheaper source of calories than eggs, though not a cheaper source of protein. They are however pretty far at the bottom, below any kind of meat and comparable to cheese.

Yeah, eggs have gotten expensive. Luckily it doesn't affect me though. Peanuts are definitely the cheapest nuts you can buy - all the other nuts cost way more. It's like $4 for a little can of nuts that you can easily finish in a day or two, but these peanuts have lasted for a while. Nonetheless, you should stick to nuts for protein as eggs are linked to higher chance of heart disease - https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/15/are-eggs-good-or-bad-for-you-new-research-rekindles-the-debate/

What are the other ingredients? I'm curious.

Vegenaise (Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Filtered Water, Brown Rice Syrup, Apple Cider Vinegar, Soy Protein, Sea Salt, Mustard Flour, Lemon Juice Concentrate), Filtered Water, Apple Cider Vinegar, Olive Oil, Shelled Hemp Seeds, Cold-Pressed Flaxseed Oil, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Cold-Pressed Hemp Seed Oil, Spices, Mustard Flour, Xanthan Gum, Sea Salt, Natural Flavor (Plant Source), Garlic. CONTAINS: Soy

I love that vegan ranch but I think I prefer the Kraft Italian dressing. That stuff is effing delicious. I still haven't gotten around to trying vegan sour cream, mainly cause I've never seen it in stores, but when I find some I'll be sure to share the ingredients with you. I also had a pie with vegan whipped cream last Thanksgiving and it was pretty thick, but probably not as thick as your dairy cream, so maybe they're using the same ingredients, although unsweetened, for the vegan sour cream?


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I don't know what company produces the vegan sour cream, but I found the ingredients for their blue cheese:(vegan, gluten-free, dairy-free, non-gmo) INGREDIENTS: Vegenaise (Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Filtered Water, Brown Rice Syrup, Apple Cider Vinegar, Soy Protein, Sea Salt, Mustard Flour, Lemon Juice Concentrate), Filtered Water, Apple Cider Vinegar, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Sea Salt, Cold-Pressed Flaxseed Oil, Cold-Pressed Hemp Seed Oil, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Spices, Mustard Flour, Xanthan Gum, Natural Flavor, Garlic. Contains: Soy

Not sure how helpful that it, but it's creamy like sour cream, so that might give you an insight into how vegan sour cream is made.

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While searching for vegan sour cream, I found this - https://daiyafoods.com/blog/how-to-make-dairy-free-sour-cream/

There's a few different ones, but they all use either cashew, soymilk, coconut cream, dairy-free yogurt, etc. The best one takes almost two days to make, and you have to make the yogurt first which takes a long time, and then you can start to make the sour cream 4 hours later. Altogether it takes over a day to make, requires soymilk, cashews, and vegan yougurt.

There's also one much quicker to make - https://mywholefoodlife.com/2014/03/18/dairy-free-sour-cream/

This one uses coconut milk, so it might have a sweeter taste http://www.nourishingmeals.com/2014/01/homemade-dairy-free-sour-cream-nut-free.html

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5'9" Aren't you like 6'5"?


Yes. 185 lbs at the moment, was 173-177 back when I had a physical job.

I only had those cookies once cause my friend recommended them to me but they only have 60 calories each.


That's pretty good for cookies.

As for cereal, I just fill up a small plasket bowl, eat with unsweetened cashew/almond milk, and I can infer that it's 300 calories or less.


Hmm, you might be right. Worth measuring all of your food in a day at least once though -- it tends to be eye-opening. When I did it I learned that despite the vast quantity of cheese I consume, cheese is actually a pretty low-calorie food. Most of my calories were coming from salad dressing and other oil-based stuff, so I've been cutting back there.

At first, I was buying the honey flavored ketchup to avoid HFCS


Man, I would have loved to have honey-flavored ketchup back in the day. Even now it's really really hard to find ketchup that has something other than HFCS in it. Granted it's irrelevant now that I don't eat ketchup.

But I think all the alternatives to peanut butter tend to be pricey - Cashew and almond butter are way more expensive, for a little 12 oz jar of each I pay $5 at walmart, whereas at Sam's I get two 40 0z jars of peanut butter for $7.


It's not that alternatives to peanut butter are expensive, it's that peanuts are cheap as hell.

I don't know how good keto is in the long-term, but it won't be a bad idea for you to research. Somehow, I dont think that diet is supposed to be long term.


I've done literally thousands of hours of research (probably tens of thousands of hours by now). One of the more interesting things I've run across is the relationship between insulin and mTor:



mTOR inhibition is linked to increased longevity. mTor is also linked to tumorigenesis in cancer and neurodegenerative disease. Fortunately for you, caloric restriction in general decreases mTOR. There's some interesting studies between caloric restriction and longevity as well that are worth looking at.

How long have you been keto?


It'll be four years in december.

Why keto and not veganism? Did you have any doubts about keto before doing it?

It's kind of a long story, but basically I didn't actually discover keto until a year after starting a very low-carb diet, which I was maintaining at the time due to the mental/physical effects and less the weight loss (though that was happening too - I started at 300). Keto helped me really streamline my diet -- more protein meant the blood-sugar crashes were totally gone, more sodium meant I didn't need sugar to keep myself from feeling dizzy, and the fat thing really kicked my weight loss, satiety and energy levels into gear and made the whole thing 10x more sustainable. Also started doing research, a lot of it.

It was rice balls wrapped in sea food and avacado, lettuce, carrots, tofu and served with vegan mayo sriracha and it was delicious.


It makes sense that soy-based sushi would be really good -- sushi is pretty soy-based already.

I actually prefer the taste of plant meats over flesh, even though everyone thinks I'm so disciplined and determined for being vegan.


Lol, man, I can sympathize with you here. Everyone around me praises my discipline and dedication and the apparent ability to eat *one* chip or *one* bite of ice cream but yeah it's mostly taste preferences and trying to avoid feeling like crap.

Your diet would be much more extreme, restrictive and difficult for me to follow


It really isn't. Everything I eat is delicious, way better than anything you can get at the store or fast food. Better than pricy restaurant food half the time. For dinner today I had boiled up some chicken breasts, and noticed a few were still kinda raw, so I cooked them in a bunch of extra virgin olive oil, stuck them on a bed of romaine, added garlic, tarragon, basil and rosemary and a few dollops of sour cream. Not my best work (needed some hot pepper maybe or go the other way and use coconut, parmesan cheese would have completed it too), but still pretty damn good. The other day I experimented with a pizza recipe that used fennel seed and black pepper in with the other herbs and spices -- turned out quite well. Crustless bowl pizza of course -- which is better imo because it's pure toppings and sauce and none of the filler.

By the way, if you ever miss sausage, just eat fennel seeds. There's a lot of foods like this (caraway seeds for rye bread for example). It's a real eye-opener too, to see how bland most foods actually are without herbs/spices/other flavors. Kind of reinforces my diet.

Aren't you worried about cholesterol on your insane diet?


I covered that in cruinn's keto post. Totally debunked, totally ridiculous in any case. Keto is also quite cardioprotective for a variety of reasons, especially if you're careful about getting solid magnesium intake.

Just imo, I think the biggest benefit with veganism is the drastically increased magnesium intake -- beans and seeds are vegan protein staples and they're absolutely loaded with it, unlike grains or grain-fed meats, which come from soils that have been depleted over the last 60 years. It's so bad that dairy cows are given magnesium supplements. Worth doing some heavy research yourself, particularly since magnesium deficiencies are linked to poor energy production, depression, cardiovascular disease, etc.

I tried being a carnivore, Xhin, but couldn't last.


I'm not a big fan of meat in general honestly. I eat it because I need the protein and iron, but it definitely needs more fat and herbs/spices to make it palatable. Though I have had some free-range or wild meats that are quite good on their own. And yes I have tried vegan protein sources -- along with protein powder, not practical if you want to actually be full.

Within 4 hours, I began feeling tired.


Feel you on that. Same thing happens to me if I eat starch or too much sugar.

My doctor said it was cause my arteries were clogging up.


Your doctor is an idiot then. Get a new one.

Additionally, there's no b12 in Mcdonald's hamburgers.


IIRC, rockstars (and energy drinks in general) are loaded with b12. So you're fine. Though I should also mention that red food coloring is made a lot of the time from exploited beetles, so you might want to look into that.

WTH carnivores should stop being so pushy and understand that just cause eating meat works for someone doesn't mean it works for everyone.


Dude, just do you. You don't have to eat what someone else eats just because what they're saying makes sense in the moment. If anything, it's a good opportunity to research more so you come prepared next time.

No rice? No corn? No wheat? There goes all the staples to my diet...Most is actually vegan or at least vegetarian and the thought of eliminating most carbs altogether is just not practical.


Well you're eating mostly carbs so that makes sense. However, strange as it may sound, it's possible to do vegan keto -- this is where I first learned about seitan and tempeh, the different protein concentrations of seeds, vegan cheese, etc. All you're really doing with keto is replacing carbs with fat, which works just as well on a plant-based diet as a meat-based one. I'd like to at least try vegan keto for a week someday when I get a bit more money so I know quite a bit about it.

Also your diet must be pretty expensive eating so much meat and cheese.


5lb bags of cheese are 11$ where I live. I buy chicken breast in bulk bags -- it's a very very dense protein source so it doesn't take much. I've done the calculations and protein-per-cent, it's the cheapest source of meat. Eggs are absurdly cheap where I live (79c per carton). Not high enough in iron though, learned that the hard way (or protein, really). Peanuts are cheap as we've covered. Veggies are cheap. I find cheap cuts of beef sometimes (3.79$/lb last time -- that's outrageous). If I wasn't avoiding oils, man that's a cheap diet there -- calorie-per-calorie, I think fat is actually *cheaper* than carbs if you're using oil. Similarly, lard and tallow are very cheap, you can apparently get them for free sometimes. Butter is super cheap (I do use that when I cook).

Overall, no, it's not as cheap as your diet. Protein-per-cent, beans are the cheapest of anything whatsoever so you do have that. But meanwhile, for all the talk of bacon and cheese being unhealthy, *this* is happening:





my blood pressure would worsen


Should improve -- blood pressure issues are caused by something known as "sodium sensitivity", which is a fancy way of saying "poor potassium-to-sodium-ratio". On a vegan diet you're *probably* getting adequate amounts of potassium unless you're eating processed everything. On a ketogenic diet your lowered insulin is keeping you from retaining excess sodium so it doesn't matter.

Yeah, eggs have gotten expensive.


Eggs are at the bottom, with only beans that you soak and cook yourself below them. Oddly, canned beans are pretty expensive in this schema.

Nonetheless, you should stick to nuts for protein as eggs are linked to higher chance of heart disease -


I'd love to debunk that article, but it'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Also using something that has twice as much fat as protein for protein is a good way to gain weight.

Shelled Hemp Seeds, ... Cold-Pressed Hemp Seed Oil,


Okay, that makes sense. I love hemp seeds, I could absolutely see them being used to imitate creamy stuff.

but when I find some I'll be sure to share the ingredients with you.


Yeah definitely do that if it exists. It's probably hemp-based.

I also had a pie with vegan whipped cream last Thanksgiving and it was pretty thick,


Frothed coonut cream maybe?

dairy-free yogurt, etc. The best one takes almost two days to make, and you have to make the yogurt first which takes a long time, and then you can start to make the sour cream 4 hours later. Altogether it takes over a day to make, requires soymilk, cashews, and vegan yougurt.


How do you make vegan yogurt? what even is vegan yogurt, how does that work?




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I'll have a longer reply tonight, but I just wanted to declare that the part about me being carnist for a day was satire using the same logic and talking points omnivores use whenever they explain why they couldn't be vegans.

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