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Merit System
Posted: Posted September 12th, 2018
Edited September 12th, 2018 by Xhin
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This update adds a large system that assigns points to users known as "Merit" on both a site-wide and individual forum basis. Right now this is only measuring post contributions (but it's got some pretty thorough rules for that), but in the next week I'd like to hook a lot more into the feature.

At the moment you can view merit by clicking the "Merit" link in newest posts / replies to see sitewide merit, or clicking the "Merit" link in a specific forum to see the merit rankings there.

Here's a long list of all the things that add merit:

Basic Stuff

  • Making a new post or reply -- +5 merit

    All other merit bonuses are added on to this in a rolling, cumulative way.

  • If you post in NGVS, you earn an extra +25 merit.

  • Posting in a "promoted post" earns you an extra +20 merit. Promoted post titles appear green, and I've added them to the mod tools. I'm going to give the mods some advice towards them in my next post.

    Reply length bonuses

    Again, these are rolling cumulative bonuses.. you can earn more than one bonus at once.

  • If your post is greater than 500 characters, you earn +10 merit.

  • Greater than 1000 characters and you earn +15 merit

  • Greater than 2000 characters and you lose 7 merit (so at this point you'd lose half the bonus from the >1000 character bonus)

  • Greater than 5000 characters and you lose all reply length merit as well as the base reply merit bonus.

    Somewhere between 1000-2000 characters is what I'm arbitrarily setting as the "ideal post length" because those types of posts are easy to reply to. Posts that are very very long are difficult to read through and work better if you split them up (it gives people a chance to reply while you're working on another piece of the post).

    First reply bonuses

  • If you get the first reply to a post that isn't yours, you earn an additional +10 merit.

  • If the post hasn't had any replies for 24 hours, you get an additional +15

  • 48 hours, and +5 on top of that.

  • 72 hours, and +5 on top of that.

  • If the post hasn't gotten any replies within a week you don't get any first post bonuses at all.

    The goal here is to prevent 0-post replies, particularly 0-post replies in NGVS where a good reply can net you 80-90 merit.

    Thread Bonuses

    If you make a post, you can earn merit depending on how many replies the thread gets.

  • 5 replies -- +10 merit
  • 10 replies -- another +10 merit
  • 20 replies -- another +20 merit
  • 50 replies -- another +30 merit
  • 100 replies -- if your post hits this, you'll earn +2 merit per reply

    Future plans

    This system is going to be implemented into a pretty wide array of things -- making deathmatches, participating in streams, having people like your posts, bonuses for doing work on a GTX0 team. Individual point values will probably be tweaked a lot over time. I'll have a place somewhere that shows values for everything and when things change.

    I'd also like to integrate into the actual "new reply" area a widget that tells you how much merit you can earn for posting.

    Dooku has suggested integrating this system into the upcoming MyCons system, which makes sense.

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    Who is going to take the time to bother keeping track of this? Or will it happen automatically for signed in people?

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by I killed Mufasa
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    It happens automatically whether you're signed in or not. Here's the global one for example:
    http://gtx0.com/merit.php

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by Xhin
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    Dunno how to feel about this exactly. When I was 14 and part of another forum I would post like hell all day long because it got my post count up. I hope we don't get too many "worthless" replies out of it (admittedly this is what I did to increase post count). Does this also have anything to do with being less harsh on bans or increased warnings?

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by Fox Forever
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    If anything it might encourage us to look at our short crappy replies and add some more or better quality content.

    I just edited two of my posts in VGND

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by I killed Mufasa
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    I think I may have accidentally liked this post upon entering somehow while checking thread views.

    I honestly really don't like where this idea may lead very much but the most obvious criticisms are this:

    First reply bonuses


    This is how "FIRST POST" posts happen.

    Reply length bonuses


    This is a bad idea at least for the world forum especially since it's removing merit because this is kind of discouraging really in-depth discussion. I mean I get it lengthy posts can be annoying for some but when you're actually trying to have meaningful discussion about complicated issues it can happen. It's worth asking though if words within quotes count because that would make it even worse.

    you can earn merit depending on how many replies the thread gets.


    The problem with this is that a lot of posts end up getting replies because something controversial was said. This happens in both world and the video game forum.

    While these issues could be solved with moderation I feel like it sets a bad precedent.

    Basically this feels like an attempt to be a different kind of reddit which I don't like for several reasons. It can sometimes give the impression that because some people actually bothered to like someone's post (while others don't care to or want to even if they like it) or post a lot or happened to make an active thread they have more value than others.

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by KnokkelMillennium
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    This is how "FIRST POST" posts happen.

    Mods should delete those posts and take away the points.

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by I killed Mufasa
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    This is how "FIRST POST" posts happen.

    Good point. I'd hope people are better than that around here. Leave it to mods to delete bullshit like that.

    This is a bad idea at least for the world forum especially since it's removing merit because this is kind of discouraging really in-depth discussion. I mean I get it lengthy posts can be annoying for some but when you're actually trying to have meaningful discussion about complicated issues it can happen.

    I get not needing a giant wall of text. 2000 count seems like it would be a good point to end on. I'd suggest some kind of character counter so that we can see when something is too insane. Looking at my own replies I have no clue how many characters I have typically.

    It's worth asking though if words within quotes count because that would make it even worse.

    Yes, I agree. I shouldn't even get points for quoting you at 200+ characters for example.

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by Fox Forever
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    I don't like this. I don't like any kind of feature that rates a user or a post.

    Knuckles assessment that it assigns more value to certain users is accurate. It also doesn't do so very well because someone like Jet Presto who makes looooong but well thought out replies gets penalised for doing so.

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by Moonray
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    I get not needing a giant wall of text. 2000 count seems like it would be a good point to end on. I'd suggest some kind of character counter so that we can see when something is too insane. Looking at my own replies I have no clue how many characters I have typically.


    It legitimately can take away from discussion. Sometimes people need that wall of text to really get their points across or cover every detail. A limit would be even worse and would just result in another post afterwards or the discussion being watered down just for the sake of respecting the limit.

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by KnokkelMillennium
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    So I just cheated my way to the top of the list.

    Does this mean I am the most important member of the site now?

    Posted September 12th, 2018 by Moonray
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