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I was curious, since you often seem to be in a debating position on this site where you're the minority. Do you learn anything about yourself or your position when you have half the site telling you that your position is, to put it nicely, misinformed? I actually feel kinda bad for you when the whole site dog piles you like that because it's damn near impossible to actually debate with that many people at once. But yeah I was just curious. Do you get anything out of it?

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I agree with him sometimes to some extent and sometimes I feel like a few or a person might be jumping into it a bit too harsh because they're used to him being so hugely "wrong" but I think at least sometimes he makes a decent case for things and it's just kind of disregarded because he's him. Hell I've defended him sometimes and suggested in some cases that people just kind of let it go. Though not the recent thing.

Posted October 9th by Grey Echelon
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I think at least sometimes he makes a decent case for things and it's just kind of disregarded because he's him.


Speaking purely for myself, I never disregard what anyone on this site says just because of who said it. I usually disregard things that I don't agree with and nothing has been said to convince me that I should.

There are times when I agree with mariomguy. Code Lyoko was a great show. I do think raytracing can have an impact on gameplay but not necessarily the lighting/shadows parts of it that everyone is focused on right now- it can and has been used for other purposes.

I do tend to find myself on the disagree side more often, but that's neither his fault nor my fault.

Posted October 9th by Moonray
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It would be one thing for him to be wrong. Everyone has been wrong about something. I've been wrong - I've been blatantly wrong about things on this very website.

mariomguy is one of the most dishonest interlocutors I have ever encountered in my many, many hundreds of hours I've spent talking with and debating people on the internet. He is worse than a Muslim.

Posted October 9th by Hideous Destructor
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Ooooh. This fuckin' bigot is soooo edgy....


Posted October 9th by Jet Presto
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Edited October 10th by I killed Mufasa
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He is worse than a Muslim.

Is there any reason to bring up muslims or basically generalize them like this in a conversation like this? I'll say the answer is no but you can say why you apparently think it's necessary or good anyway.

Posted October 10th by Grey Echelon
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Things getting spicy.

Edited October 10th by I killed Mufasa
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I don't pick sides on purpose just because I get something extra out of somehow being the minority opinion. I have my experiences, my likes and dislikes, the things I look forward to, and the things that disappoint me. I learn new things every day, but over time the new things stop feeling new and start feeling like more of the same. When I say "TLoU has basic, outdated gameplay," I'm speaking from decades of disappointment with gaming. On non-gaming topics, stuff like single payer healthcare, that's just common sense to me. America's healthcare is the most expensive, least effective in the world, with the runner ups paying half what we do per-person. So let's just find the greatest healthcare system in the world - which happens to be single payer - and make a version two times better. It costs the same. It's not hard to find facts and evidence to corroborate what I'm saying, especially since it seems most gamers eventually come to, or realize the merits of, my side of the fence.

But a lot of people don't seem nearly as disappointed with gaming as I am. They seem to jive with everything that's going on. Consoles get outdated in 5 years and online services shut down, but that's OK, because we already bought the next one. Games get outdated as soon as they release, but that's OK, because there's always the online multiplayer staples to fall back on. AAA studios keep buying smaller studios to make more AAA games, and the world of imagination gets left to indies. But that's OK, because when I want to gamble with imagination I'll buy a game from a completely unknown, inexperienced developer, and buy one AAA game after another because they're fun.

I just don't jive with that. I had a SNES with 3 games: Super Mario World, Super Mariokart, and Kirby Super Star. There was enough variety in those games to satisfy me for a good long time. But I grew up, and some of those games stopped being satisfying. I find myself still holding onto what "should" be. I keep thinking there's going to be another big bang around the corner, and then the next one, and then 5 more after that. But the world took a different path, a steadier path, where nothing is really innovative and nothing is really new, but we keep getting releases. I think the same holds true for my political viewpoints: I know what can be right now, but it would require people with actual imagination willing to do things for the benefit of all, and most of the people in government are much more eager to keep doing the same things and failing because they're too afraid to try something new and step out of line.

Believe me, I'd be much happier knowing there are at least a few people who can agree with me on some things. But I don't need anyone to agree with me to know how I feel, and what I think. My feelings aren't just hunches, they're not without reason, they do have merit.

- Gaming is not as exciting or refreshing as it used to be, or as it could be.
- Dark anti-heroes do not automatically substitute well-written characters.
- Sex, drugs, and violence are not required for an incredible experience.
- Imagination, creativity, appeal, likability, and idealism are not reserved only for children. If adults were comfortable having a morsel of these qualities, our world wouldn't suck so much.
- Cynicism and drama might be adult themes and the general mood of adult entertainment, but they perfectly capture the soul of the angsty teenager who just started learning about life.
- I don't want games to mimic life, I want games to breathe life. Games should give me a world that I'd actually want to live in.
- Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic, and at the heart of all gaming is this magic.

Posted October 10th by mariomguy
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mariomguy is one of the most dishonest interlocutors I have ever encountered in my many, many hundreds of hours I've spent talking with and debating people on the internet.


No one can argue with you when you don't make a point. Maybe give a reason when you insult someone, that makes it more meaningful.

Also, some more to add to the list:

- "Realism" does not equal "good." It's also not realistic.

Posted October 10th by mariomguy
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Is there any reason to bring up muslims or basically generalize them like this in a conversation like this?


I spend many, many hours in conversation and debate with people from all over the world, usually debating religion and ethics. Muslims are my second least favorite group of people to talk to, and I'm not entirely sure why, except to surmise that there is some kind of relatively widespread system for indoctrinating their particular brand of stinking, mealy apologetics into basic Muslim beliefs. Most of the Muslims I have talked to will tell you the most spurious and specious strings of bent rhetoric possible with not only a straight face, but a demand that they be taken respectfully and the assumption that it proves their beliefs right.

My number one least favorite group of people to talk to are presuppositionalist Christians, which are the most toxic people I have ever encountered in debate, period.

No one can argue with you when you don't make a point.


Even if it were true that I do not make points, it still would not make whatever points you make automatically true. As far as this specific context goes:

Maybe give a reason when you insult someone, that makes it more meaningful.


I don't think that you want me to give reasons. Remember how mad you were when I posted the index of all the archived threads where we had massive arguments, so that they were preserved for perpetuity for anyone to see exactly what we did or did not say to each other?

Posted October 10th by Hideous Destructor
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