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Late Reptigan's rules about marriage
Posted: Posted July 15th
Edited August 8th by chiarizio
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Late Reptigan humans track matriclans and patriclans and “ropes”;
Or call them milk-houses (inherited from mother only),
and blood-paths (inherited from father only),
and spirit-robes (inherited from parent of the opposite sex only).

For a couple to marry, one of the requirements is,
neither parent of either of them, may belong to any of the same lines any of the other party’s grandparents belong to.
Another requirement is, there cannot be more than three instances of a grandparent of either party, belonging to a line that a grandparent of the other party belongs to.

Examples:

HFFM and WFFM are one and the same woman; HFF and WFF are uterine half-brothers. They belong to the same milk-house and the same spirit-robe; but not to the same blood-path.
But HMMF and WMMF are different guys. HMM and WMM may belong to the same blood-path, but only if they don’t belong to the same spirit-robe.
Or, HMM and WMM may belong to the same spirit-robe, but only if they belong to different blood-paths.
So H and W are half-second-cousins, but not double-half-second- cousins, and not full-second cousins. They share only one great grandparent, namely their FFM.

Or another example:
HMMF and WMMF are one and the same guy, so HMM and WMM are agnate half-sisters. Therefore they belong to the same blood-path and also the same spirit-robe. But as it happens they belong to different milk-houses.
However HFFM and WFFM are different women.
Maybe HFF and WFF belong to the same milk-house; but if so they must belong to different spirit-robes.
Or maybe HFF and WFF belong to the same spirit-robe; but if so they must belong to different milk-houses.

Again, that means H and W are half-second-cousins, but not full-second-cousins nor double-half-second-cousins.
They share only one great grandparent; namely their MMF.


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If there are at least 92 clans of each type, the rules in the previous post will proscribe not more than one-third of the otherwise-eligible MOTSs.
I picked the human population of Late Reptigan to be 92^6. That may be WAY more than enough.

Or not.


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There’ll be other rules concerning relative ages and whether it’s the first or second marriage etc.
Plus the other various exogamies I’ve talked about.


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From earliest Adpihi to latest Reptigan, ideally one tries to make one’s first spouse be half-a-generation older than oneself, and ideally tries to make one’s second spouse be half-a-generation younger than oneself.

One wants one’s first spouse to be, at the youngest, halfway in age between oneself and one’s younger parent: and, at the oldest, either one’s younger parent’s age, or halfway in age between oneself and one’s older parent; (whichever upper age limit is younger).

At the same time, one’s first spouse is (ideally) already married, and already has at least one child. (Most of the time they probably don’t have more than two, or at least not more than two living children.)

One wants to be, at the oldest, halfway in age between one’s spouse’s age and that spouse’s oldest child’s age; and, at the youngest, their spouse’s oldest child’s age or halfway between their spouse’s own age and their spouse’s youngest child’s age, whichever of those two lower age limits is older.

After one has had at least one healthy child, but before one has had all the children one is allowed, or all the children one wants, one obtains one’s spouse’s permission to marry a second, younger spouse.

One wants one’s second spouse to have never been married and never have had a child. One wants their age to be between, at the oldest, halfway in age between oneself and one’s oldest child; and at the youngest, either halfway between oneself and one’s youngest child, or the age of one’s oldest child; whichever of those lower age limits is older.

Also one wants, ideally, to be no younger than halfway between one’s second spouse’s age and one’s younger prospective parent-in-law; and no older than one’s younger parent-in-law-to-be, nor older than halfway between one’s second-spouse-to-be and their older parent.

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But people often marry people closer to their own ages than the above. As long as your first spouse is older than you, already married, and already a parent; and your second spouse is younger than you and has never been married nor had children; it’s probably OK.

And there are other ways, than chronological age, to determine who is half-a-generation younger or older than someone else; provided one knows enough about their pedigrees.

If two people’s pedigrees overlap, the closest they can be in blood and still marry, is to have one and only one shared great-grandparent, and no other shared ancestors up to and including three generations before either of them. They would be half-second-cousins; sixth-degree relatives in the same generation.

If both of one’s first two spouses have pedigrees that overlap with one’s own four or fewer generations ago from both parties:
  • It is best if one’s first spouse is from the generation immediately previous to one’s own, and second-best if one’s first spouse is from one’s own generation.
  • It is best if one’s second spouse is from the generation immediately following one’s own, and second-best if one’s second spouse is from one’s own generation.
  • It is best if at least one of one’s first two spouses is not from one’s own generation.

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    Among people one could marry who are some kind of second-cousin-once-removed six or seven degrees away, are:
  • triple-half-second-cousins-once-removed-ascending. (Three of your great-great-grandparents are three of their great-grandparents, because three of your great-grandparents are half-siblings of three of their grandparents. They could be a triple-half-second-cousin of one of your parents, or a double-half-second-cousin of one parent and a single-half-second-cousin of the other parent.)
  • full-second-cousin-once-removed-ascending and also half-second-cousin-once-removed-ascending. (One of your greatgrandparents is a full sibling of one of their grandparents; and another of your greatgrandparents is a half-sibling of another of their grandparents. One of your parents could be their full-second-cousin and also their half-second-cousin; or one of your parents could be their full-second-cousin and the other could be their half-second-cousin.)

    Or they could be less closely related. But they’d be a generation earlier than your own, and be full- or half-second-cousins-once-removed.

    Among people who are some kind of third cousin, seven or eight degrees away, whom one could marry, are:
  • septuple-half-third-cousins; seven of your eight greatgrandparents are half-siblings with seven of their eight great-grandparents. These are eight degrees away, along seven independent paths.
  • full-third-cousins (seven degrees away) and at the same time quintuple half-third-cousins. One of your greatgrandparents is full-siblings with one of their greatgrandparents, and simultaneously five of your seven other greatgrandparents are half-siblings of five of their other greatgrandparents.
  • double-full-third-cousins, and also triple-half-third-cousins. Two of your greatgrandparents are full-siblings with two of their greatgrandparents, and independently three of your other great-grandparents are half-siblings with three of their other greatgrandparents.
  • triple-full-third-cousins, and also half-third-cousins. Three of your greatgrandparents are full-siblings with three of their greatgrandparents, and at the same time another of your greatgrandparents is half-siblings with another of their greatgrandparents.

    In all of those cases you share seven of your sixteen greatgreatgrandparents. In other cases they could be less closely related. But you’d probably consider them your own generation.

    Various kinds of third-cousin-once-removed-ascending, eight or nine degrees away, would be marriageable even if up to fifteen of your thirty-two great^3-grandparents were also (fifteen of their sixteen) greatgreatgrandparents.

    All of those people would be an acceptable first spouse. If they’re your own generation you might want to be more strict about the age conditions mentioned above; if they’re from the previous generation you might be okay with them just being older than you.

    For your second spouse, you’d look at the (multiple- or single-) (-full- or -half-) (-second- or -third-) -cousins-once-removed-descending, rather than -ascending, to find sufficiently distant relatives in the next generation. As long as they’re younger than you, you might not mind if the other age-requirements mentioned above weren’t satisfied.

    If they were half-second-cousins, or (multiple- or single-) (-full- or -half-) -third-cousins, of your own generation, you might be more strict about the age-requirements above.

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    All of this leads to new kinterms in Reptigan.
    For instance maybe they want a term for one’s:
    younger parent’s younger parent’s younger parent’s youngest sibling-of-the-opposite-sex’s youngest child’s youngest child-of-the-appropriate-sex,
    for a likely ideal second-cousin-once-removed-ascending to be one’s first spouse.
    And/or, they might want a term for one’s:
    older parent’s older parent’s oldest sibling-of-the-opposite-sex’s oldest child’s oldest child’s oldest child-of-the-appropriate-sex,
    for a likely ideal second-cousin-once-removed-descending, to be one’s second spouse.

    To start with, (Late?) Reptigan may have terms for:
  • biological parent (as opposed to classificatory parent)
  • older (than the other biological parent) biological parent
  • younger (than the other one) biological parent
  • biological parent same sex as EGO
  • biological parent opposite sex from EGO

    And they may want terms for
  • sibling same sex as EGO
  • sibling opposite sex from EGO
  • older sibling
  • younger sibling
  • oldest sibling
  • youngest sibling

  • and terms expressing {oldest | older | youngest | younger} {same sex | opposite sex} sibling

  • and maybe even more detailed types of siblinghood.

    And they’ll probably want to have new terms for biological children, beginning with:
  • biological child as opposed to classificatory child
  • oldest child
  • youngest child
  • second child
  • any other child not oldest nor youngest nor second
  • same-sex-as-me child
  • opposite-sex-from-me child

    I think their new words for biological (rather than classificatory) siblings might include, first of all:
  • full-sibling
  • my older parent is your younger parent (so I’m probably from their second marriage and you’re probably from their first, so you’re probably older than me)
  • my younger parent is your older parent (so I’m probably from their first marriage and you’re probably from their second, so I’m probably older than you)

    I do not expect that to be all of it.

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    There may be a trend to call any spouse older than you, if you have had or can and want to have children with them, your “first spouse”;
    and to call any spouse younger than you, if you have had or can and want to have children with them, your “second spouse”.
    (A spouse with whom you’ve never had nor wanted to have children, and didn’t think you could have children, would be your “third spouse”.)

    Especially in Early Adpihi, but also all the way through Late Reptigan, it might happen that one’s first marriage ends prematurely (probably because of the death of the spouse, but maybe because of divorce), before there’ve been any children of the marriage. In that case the relict spouse (the bereaved widow or widower) may marry a second older spouse. This may lead to such oxymorons as “second first spouse”.
    But, hey, if we can get used to “Fifth Third Bank”, we can get used to anything!

    It may be one’s second marriage that ends prematurely due to the spouse’s death or to divorce, before any children are born to that marriage. In that case the bereaved spouse, or ex-spouse, may marry a second younger spouse with the intent to beget/conceive/bear a child or some children. It may be that “first second spouse” and “second second spouse” are never necessary, since one is an ex-spouse and the other is a current spouse.

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    It’s very late. If I had more to say I’m too disorganized to put it into words right now. So I’ll say good night and return to this later; probably tomorrow evening, maybe tomorrow morning.

  • Edited July 25th by chiarizio
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