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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller

Kanye West: "When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sounds like a choice,"/ (insert other crazy things
he's said lately here)
Posted: Posted May 1st
Edited May 1st by KnokkelMillennium

I'm not even really a fan or one to care much about him but lately he's been making such a shitstorm I can't seem to avoid it. And this latest thing he said really takes the cake. I've been told that he has been all over the place politically, but lately he's been leaning more towards things you'd sooner expect to hear from the alt-right.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43970903
So since it's been such a big deal if you all have been following what do you think of this shitstorm? Why is he doing all of this? I legitimately want to know if some fan of his has some insight because as far as I can tell he's just going insane or something. Also why was his latest song literally just a different song by someone else with him saying

"Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop
Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop
Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop
Poop, poop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop".

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I think he gets off on being controversial, really. This action is ignorant as hell, but what I really can't stand is the ego. Any time he says he's "this generation's Steve Jobs/Henry Ford" I just get so annoyed because it's not his distinction to make.

I've only encountered an action that genuinely ignorant from an adult just once before in my life. I don't think you can find the most conservative person ever saying that African American's had a choice in regards to slavery.

Posted May 1st by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

I don't think you can find the most conservative person ever saying that African American's had a choice in regards to slavery.


You'd be surprised what kind of crazies end up crawling onto the internet though, and even twitter. With him though I'm just confused. But then the people who say stuff akin to this also aren't just conservatives anyway.

Edited May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

So we have the BBC talking about how TMZ feels about Kanye West. If that's not a sign of the times, I don't know what is.

West, like Trump, is a master self promoter. Whatever his political outlook, if indeed there's anything to be found in the soul of a pop star, it is clear that he sees an opportunity in aligning his brand with the right leaning and anti-pc crowd. That's all just as well, I suppose. It is yet another indication that the prevailing media culture has seen better days. West sees himself quoting the likes of Jordan Peterson, Thomas Sowell, Harriet Tubman, and making reference to the "silent majority", so I don't really see an alt right connection.

He is however a great answer to those that are always talking about how sports and music stars should use their public platform to "raise awareness" or otherwise be a mouthpiece for the dangerously narrow range of acceptable left wing opinions. Well, here you go. Look at this successful black man advocating for the things that he professes to believe in. They ought to be thrilled, though for my part I am still of the opinion that we should spend a bit less energy worrying about what celebrities think.

Posted May 1st by Famov
Famov

Jordan Peterson


Ech. Not surprised you're a fan of him but I'm also somewhat disappointed.

so I don't really see an alt right connection.


The connection is him saying shit like what he said in the title. It's stuff no regular conservative would say.

Posted May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

But ya no offense meant. Let me make that vague expression of disappointment a bit more clear if I can. I can understand liking Jordan Peterson somewhat from a psychological perspective, but the times I've been shown him saying anything political it was uh... honestly stupid and annoying imo. It does bother me that people treat anyone who likes him in any regard as part of his cult but you know how it goes.

The saying you're a fan part also came with the assumption that you have a particular respect for him beyond just his psychological insights considering the political nature of the context. So I apologize if that isn't the case. I just kind of posted that without thinking much.

I do agree that celebrity worship is stupid also. I don't give a shit what they think in any meaningful way but this in particular has been so everywhere that I just wanted to get an idea of why Kanye is doing it.

Edited May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Jordan "clean your room" Peterson wrote a very intellecultually dishonest piece about the jewish question where he essentially admitted our talking points and came up with weak justification arguments.

Posted May 1st by #85
#85

Breaking News: Nation suddenly concerned about black persons opinion.




Edited May 1st by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Jordan "clean your room" Peterson wrote a very intellecultually dishonest piece about the jewish question


Haven't watched that one.

Breaking News: Nation suddenly concerned about black persons opinion.


It's worse because people do respect him and he is insanely popular and unfortunately what he says holds weight especially among his susceptible fans. Regardless of whether or not he means it.

Edited May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

a choice the confederacy was willing to die for

Posted May 1st by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Ech. Not surprised you're a fan of him but I'm also somewhat disappointed.

You were right not to be surprised. I wrote about him a couple months ago:
http://gtx0.com/read/why-they-listen-to-jordan-peterson
I am very much a fan, and more so than I am of virtually all of his contemporaries in the pundit sphere. There are a variety of reasons why this is the case, but mostly it's the prescription he has for the disaffected members of his audience. Rather than exploiting their insecurities in pursuit of leading them down radical political ideologies (as the alt right do) he instead tells them to take charge of their own lives in positive, constructive ways. I've read numerous accounts from people claiming that Peterson is the best thing to ever happen to them. That might sound a bit sad, but it's not nearly as sad as if they had died young, alone, and unfulfilled. Peterson doesn't merely say things that I happen to agree with. He is also doing something important. Given that Canada is a country where compelled speech is manifesting and intersectional propaganda is being institutionalized in primary education, Peterson came in at the perfect time.

Posted May 2nd by Famov
Famov

"Rather than exploiting their insecurities in pursuit of leading them down radical political ideologies"

I think that's almost exclusively what Jordan Peterson does. His line of work, so to speak, is targeting young males and acting as a virtual surrogate father figure in whatever way he can.

Posted May 6th by Mirson
Mirson
 

Considering the backbone of the alt-right movement is basically Incel Fight Club, is it any wonder that appealing to these kids' daddy issues works so well?

Posted May 6th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

Mirson

Now there's a name I haven't seen in a while. Years, even.

I think that's almost exclusively what Jordan Peterson does. His line of work, so to speak, is targeting young males and acting as a virtual surrogate father figure in whatever way he can.

Peterson as a "virtual surrogate father figure" isn't advocating in favor of any radicalism though. I don't deny that he's appealing to many of the same people, but he gives them an entirely different set of answers. And, quite unlike the alt right, there's a route through the things he's saying towards achievable human happiness.

Considering the backbone of the alt-right movement is basically Incel Fight Club, is it any wonder that appealing to these kids' daddy issues works so well?

Not at all. As I've argued before, I really do think it's at the center of the whole thing.

After the protest in Charlottesville — in which a woman was murdered by a white nationalist — Anglin advised his fellow knuckleheads to go out to bars that night, because “random girls will want to have sex with you.” One wonders whether Charlottesville is home to very many women who are quite that random. The men’s movement has moved on from Iron John and suburbanite drum circles and virile weeping and all that business, and its new spokesmen are the pick-up artists, whose appeal to men (put an asterisk there) such as Andrew Anglin is pretty obvious. Like Islamic jihadists promised an eternity with a harem of virgins, white-identity jihadists believe that they can elevate themselves through conflict and confrontation and, by proving their value to the tribe, finally get some nookie.

“We want a war,” writes Anglin.

He is barely five feet tall.

But everybody is ten feet tall on the Internet, and that is why the Internet is where the alt-right really lives, one big online group-therapy session masquerading as a political movement. A few sad specimens will occasionally sally forth into the public square in Charlottesville, Boston, or Dallas, and there will always be an opening for a charismatic racist such as Richard Spencer, who holds a position in American life that once belonged to David Duke and to George Lincoln Rockwell before him. Some roles in our common life are passed down from generation to generation. And some kinds of sadness are passed down from generation to generation, too: The substance abuse that Anglin bemoans tends to run in families, as does divorce — and the failure to form marriages and families in the first place. The young men to whom Anglin addresses his lament often are themselves the sons and grandsons of similarly disappointed men, living in communities left behind by globalization and other social changes, with those who have the wherewithal to move on already having done so long ago. Without prestigious jobs, solid incomes, or happy families to provide them with a sense of social status, they understand themselves to be failures not only as people but specifically as men. In reaction to the “rootless cosmopolitanism” of the age, they seek to reverse 21st-century deracination with blood-and-soil racination: Consider that Richard Spencer‘s journal is called “Radix,” i.e. “root.” Their longing for community is authentic — and it is legitimate, in spite of the horrifying direction in which they take it. But like all men who are missing something necessary at the center of them, they are born to be marks, and it is easy to sell them almost anything — how-to-meet-women books and seminars, conspiracy theories, daft white-identity politics — so long as what you are really selling is hope.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/09/11/alt-right-racist-charlottesville/

Edited May 6th by Famov
Famov

great article, famov. thanks!

"Their longing for community is authentic — and it is legitimate, in spite of the horrifying direction in which they take it"

sounds like these losers need some wendell berry

Posted May 10th by poptart!
poptart!
 

You know, if you want to be known as a free thinker, make sure you don't say stupid things that the tiki-torch brigade will be quoting for years.

Posted May 15th by GC/MS
GC/MS
 
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