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The best-selling piece of video game hardware earlier this summer was not the surging Nintendo Switch nor the dominant PlayStation 4—it was a miniature version of the Nintendo Entertainment System.

That’s the word from retail analyst NPD Group, which reports that “the NES Classic was June 2018's highest unit-selling hardware platform, while the PlayStation 4 led the market in dollar sales” for the period between June 3 and July 7.

The NES Classic, which costs $60 and emulates 30 games from Nintendo’s first home console, launched in November 2016 to mass shortages as Nintendo underestimated demand. Although the publisher announced that it was discontinuing the device, it later committed to bringing the NES Classic back to stores in 2018. Starting on June 29, the system returned. And then it beat up all the other consoles.

Nintendo’s SNES Classic also became the best-selling console for the month it launched, in September, 2017. There is still no word on a Game Boy or Nintendo 64 Classic.
https://kotaku.com/junes-best-selling-video-game-console-was-the-nes-class-1828038591

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Makes sense. Even if you cut out nostalgia it's well priced for what you get.

But nostalgia is probably most of it :P

Posted August 6th by Moonray
 

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

My hope is that if Nintendo releases a N64 Classic, they pack in 4 controllers along with Smash Bros and Mario Kart.

Edited August 6th by Q
Q
 

If Nintendo goes through with an N64 classic they should really consider getting a blessing from MS and Rare because they don't own the rights to a lot of the best games.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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If Nintendo goes through with an N64 classic they should really consider getting a blessing from MS and Rare because they don't own the rights to a lot of the best games.


Highly subjective. I think they could easily fill a N64 classic with great games without ever using any of Rare's games. I wouldn't mind so much either, since Microsoft have made a lot of Rare's games available on a modern console anyway.

Also many of the games Rare made they don't necessarily own the sole rights to.

Goldeneye is probably one we're unlikely to see on a N64 classic, both Rare (at Microsoft) and Nintendo have tried to port it to modern consoles but couldn't because of legal issues with the Bond licence.

Edited August 6th by Moonray
 

While I agree that Rare made quite a few great games for the N64, they could be left out of the Classic's game lineup and not impact it in a huge way.

Some Non-rare made games that can be included in the N64 classic are:

1. Super Mario 64
2. LoZ: Ocarina of Time
3. LoZ: Majora's Mask
4. Mario Kart 64
5. Super Smash Bros
6. Mario Party
7. Star Fox 64
8. F-Zero X
9. Mario Golf
10. Wave Race 64
11. 1080 Snowboarding
12. Star Wars Rogue Squadron
13. Kirby 64
14. Cruisin USA or World
15. San Francisco Rush
16. Pokemon Snap
17. Yoshi's Story
18. Paper Mario

And I am sure that with the recent friendship between Nintendo and Microsoft, Nintendo could be allowed to add Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, and Diddy Kong Racing.

Edited August 6th by Q
Q
 

19. Pokemon Stadium
20. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
21: Mario Party 2

Posted August 6th by Moonray
 

How is it subjective to say they don't own the rights to a lot of the best games? Perfect Dark, Conker, Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, Killer Instinct Gold. Some of the best games on the system are from Rare. I didn't say the rest of the line up isn't great. But it wouldn't be a true showcase of what the n64 era was with some of these titles omitted. Nintendo might also have trouble with Diddy Kong Racing since it has Conker etc in it.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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When it comes right down to it though, you can download your own games on these machines. I did so on the snes classic. So people will indeed be playing goldeneye and conker on it regardless.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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It's subjective to say they don't own rights to >a lot of the best< games.

I don't disagree though, it would be a good move for them to try and get many of Rare's games on a N64 Classic.

Posted August 6th by Moonray
 

"How is it subjective to say they don't own the rights to a lot of the best games? Perfect Dark, Conker, Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, Killer Instinct Gold. Some of the best games on the system are from Rare."

It's not subjective on who owns the rights, it's subjective to say which games were the best on the console as it really comes down to your own personal preferences. However I agree that Rare did make some great games on the N64 and if Nintendo were able to get the rights to have them on the N64 Classic then it would be all the better. But if Nintendo was not able to do that it could still fill the N64 classic with just as many quality games as they have done with the NES and SNES Classics.

"When it comes right down to it though, you can download your own games on these machines. I did so on the snes classic. So people will indeed be playing goldeneye and conker on it regardless."

I'm sure Nintendo is aware of this also so they may not push or it as hard. And from what I have read online for hacking the NES and SNES classic it doesnt seem that hard. I just haven't gotten around to trying it.

Trust me, I hope we get Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on it also as I would love to school some of the younger generation. Atleast you can play Perfect Dark on X1 through Rare Replay and XBOX Live Arcade.

Edited August 6th by Q
Q
 

I said a lot of the best, not all of the best. The critics agree with my assessment. Perfect Dark has near perfect scores. Goldeneye is 95/100. Conker and the two banjo games are certainly better received than a lot of the non nintendo games on that list you provided. To say it's subjective is a weak argument.

It would have been subjective if I had said all the best or most of the best. I was careful with my wording.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Let's assume that the best games for the N64 are SM64, Ocarina, MK64, Smash, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker, and the two Banjo games. Well 5 out of 11 sounds like a lot to me. If I had a pizza and you came over and took away almost half of it I certainly wouldn't be happy. That pizza is my childhood in this case.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Star Fox is the sixth one I meant to list of the ones Nintendo has the rights to. My bad.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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"Conker and the two banjo games are certainly better received than a lot of the non nintendo games on that list you provided. To say it's subjective is a weak argument. "

i'm not trying to speak for Moonray, so you'll have to take that up with him. I will say that there have been some games that have scored well that I didn't like that much. And there have been some games that didnt get good reviews and scores at all but I really enjoyed. I agree that the games you listed are good games, I own most of them on the N64.

Posted August 6th by Q
Q
 

If 60 reviewers like it and you don't, your opinion is the one that is subjective.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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ok man.

Posted August 6th by Q
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Nightfire 007 I thought was better than the reviews for it. It does happen. So I see what you're saying. But can you name any games with average reviews in the high 90s that objectively don't deserve at least a 9/10?

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 don't do it for me, but that's my problem.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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If 60 reviewers like it and you don't, your opinion is the one that is subjective.


I mean they both are.

Posted August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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Then why do they have pretentious award shows? No. I don't buy it, Knuckles. To a degree art is subjective to taste. But true quality transcends taste.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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"But can you name any games with average reviews in the high 90s that objectively don't deserve at least a 9/10?"

You are talking about what games could be considered overrated, which is highly subjective.

Posted August 6th by Q
Q
 

Then why do they have pretentious award shows? No. I don't buy it, Knuckles. To a degree art is subjective to taste. But true quality transcends taste.


Well you should know that a lot of people don't like art snobs. Just saying. Don't really have a better reply in me right now but maybe later.

Edited August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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And I am trying to explain that if you are in a distant minority over whether something is bad or good, you have a right to your opinion but maybe you're objectively wrong. Gen 5 has a number of games that created the formula on the fundamentals of game design today. Perfect Dark/Goldeneye is one of those games. Ocarina of time is another. They aren't subjectively good, they're masterpieces. They're to video games what Shakespeare is to literature. What Beethoven is to piano symphony music. They deserve respect whether your personal opinion of them is favorable or not. Same with Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 which I don't care for. Some games are so well designed and have such a strong legacy and lasting impact that subjectivity doesn't apply to them.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Miyamoyo isn't a subjectively good video game designer. He is a pioneer of the industry. Video games wouldn't be what they are today without him. True quality transcends subjectivity.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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"Maybe". See there is no maybe in the first place with objectively. Can you prove something is objectively better? Does the amount of people or critics who like it make it objectively better? No. And at the end of the day a lot of critical reviews are just opinions regardless of if they're professionals. They can't tell you what is objectively good or what is objectively better than something else.

They aren't subjectively good, they're masterpieces.


Maybe but they sure as hell haven't aged well.

They're to video games what Shakespeare is to literature. What Beethoven is to piano symphony music.


And those haven't aged well either in comparison to all of the choices we have today.

They deserve respect whether your personal opinion of them is favorable or not.


That's a subjective opinion. I can respect games I don't care for but I feel like there definitely has to be exceptions regardless. OOT and goldeneye are so bland now.

Edited August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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You don't really believe what you're saying. Would you buy Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 which averages a 1.5/10 score when almost every other game in the numbered franchise has 95/100 or above? Wouldn't you heed the warning?

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Will you guys at least level with me on this then. If there is no objective way to make a good game, can we at least agree that objectively bad games exist? The same way objectively bad food or music exists?

I really want to exit this conversation because I am doing a water fast and I am grumpy.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Oh I do really believe what I'm saying. I've talked about this before in another recent thread.

Would you buy Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 which averages a 1.5/10 score when almost every other game in the numbered franchise has 95/100 or above?


No because I have no interest in that. But ya I might. That doesn't mean their word is law though or that I wouldn't enjoy it.

Posted August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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God you guys are annoying.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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If there is no objective way to make a good game, can we at least agree that objectively bad games exist? The same way objectively bad food or music exists?


Not really. I mean I may spout my opinions and sound a bit like "how could you like this" or "this game is absolutely amazing and I don't care what anyone says" but at the end of the day my word isn't law either.

Posted August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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I regret saying it now... I didn't intend for it to start an argument about subjectivity .

Also at the risk of sounding like a dick. As someone who distrusts the official version of things and subliminal messaging in the media you seem to put a lot of faith in critics who can (And have at times) have their opinions bought.

Posted August 6th by Moonray
 

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. There are some people who only swear by shooters and would never touch an adventure game like Zelda. Their opinion doesn't apply to other people, though. I like to think real gamers would have an expanded mindset that's open to playing and liking anything from Call of Duty to Paper Mario, but not everyone is like that.

What made a lot of N64 games great was how different they were from the previous generation. A good example is Mario Kart: the series went to 3D, you got 4 players onscreen at once, and the tracks were much longer and more dramatic than the SNES. But if you play that game now... it's kind of shit? The framerate is horrible (especially 4p), the textures are really ugly, items are kind of difficult to use, etc. Goldeneye 007 was a shining example of what FPS games can do when it first came out. I'm not going to say it's a bad game, but... if you play it now, you can tell it's dated. There's no real dual analog mode for it, combat is less about finesse and more about avoiding dumb things, and the framerate gets down.

Some games like Paper Mario aged incredibly well. I'm sure I would still enjoy Super Mario 64 and Tony Hawk: Pro Skater today. But by and large many games on the system have sadly expired: Smash Bros. was way better from the Gamecube onward, and Mario Kart 7/8 kind of spoiled the rest of the franchise.

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
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I guess Hitler is only subjectively a bad person and child molesters only subjectively deserve to be beat up in prison. And Moon, you didn't do it accidentally. You do this kind of thing in every thread we both go in. You nitpick me because you know I will defend myself for hours, get ganged up on, and grow exhausted.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Entertainment serves one purpose ultimately: to entertain. How can you objectively measure something that is going to inherently being subjective and will always vary? If at least one person is entertained by it how can you call it objectively bad?

You're also bringing more serious issues into this when we're talking about entertainment. It's kind of a different thing.

I don't know why the fuck you're seeing it all as nitpicking. So I called you out on racism and stuff. So I gave my honest opinion on the "illuminati subliminal messages" you mentioned. If you put your opinions out there why are you expecting to not have them criticized? I'm not even attacking you personally or attacking anything really. We're having a discussion, it's not "nitpicking" or "trying to make you defend yourself".

Edited August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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Mariom. The game that are dated now but known for greatness back then, are the golden pillars that hold up the entire video industry. The games you like today wouldn't exist without them. That's why they deserve respect. For grandfathered legacy reasons.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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And Moon, you didn't do it accidentally. You do this kind of thing in every thread we both go in. You nitpick me because you know I will defend myself for hours, get ganged up on, and grow exhausted.


SARCASM: Yes I am a terrible person who follows you around the site trying to cause you emotional harm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don't personally feel I respond to you any more than I respond to anyone else, nor do I feel I respond to you any differently than anyone else. The only difference is perhaps I disagree with what you are saying more than most other people on the site. You just have to ask Xhin if you want to know how rude/blunt I can be when I have a very strong opinion :)

If you have a problem with the way I am posting then feel free to let me know or report me to the mods so they can decide. I am not intentionally doing anything though I can see why my reply to this thread could be seen that way which was why I said I regret it.

I apologise for upsetting you, I'll stay out of the thread now.

Edited August 6th by Moonray
 

Well I can't argue with 3 of you at the same time. And I find you annoying even when we agree Knuckles. I find the bulk of your posts grating and instigative. Why don't you just butt out so I can talk to Q and Moon. Frankly I am not interested in your opinion on this matter.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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You guys don't even address what I say, you just repeat your tag line over and over again about subjectivity. When we all know some things actually are crap and other things are genius. Are you mocking me?

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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And I find you annoying even when we agree Knuckles.


Strange as I haven't felt the same about you, really you've only been particularly annoying when you do shit like this right now. In fact I like some of your posts and opinions despite what you probably think.

I find the bulk of your posts grating and instigative.


How? Because I had an opinion you didn't like? Jesus Christ. How is what you're doing right now not grating and instigative?

Frankly I am not interested in your opinion on this matter.


Again though why? Why is it we can't even have a simple discussion and why am I taking the heat when I've pretty much done nothing to you.

Edited August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Don't take it personally. I warned you I was grumpy didn't I? I am fucking starving.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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The reason why I am not interested in your opinion is because debating with 2 people is my limit. 3 is exhausting and feels hopeless.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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Don't take it personally. I warned you I was grumpy didn't I?

The reason why I am not interested in your opinion is because debating with 2 people is my limit.


Alright then that's fine I guess. I'll leave you alone in this thread I guess.

Posted August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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Alright, lets move on.

Everyone: What other games, regardless of publisher or developer, would you guys like to see added to the N64 Classic if it becomes a real thing?

Edited August 6th by Q
Q
 

So do you guys really believe a review contrast like the one between the abyssmally poor THPS5 and the critically acclaimed older 4 games, has zero weight at all?

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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No one likes THPS5. Lets move on.

Posted August 6th by Q
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That isn't even what I asked but ok. Anyway we covered most of the relevant N64 games.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
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What other games, regardless of publisher or developer, would you guys like to see added to the N64 Classic if it becomes a real thing?


I mean I'd just use emulators at this point if I really wanted to play them but I'll talk as if I actually would buy one for this. Definitely paper mario and yoshi's story. And kirby.

Edited August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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"That isn't even what I asked but ok. Anyway we covered most of the relevant N64 games. "

I apologize, as I interpreted your question as a continuation of your previous comments.

"I mean I'd just use emulators at this point if I really wanted to play them but I'll talk as if I actually would buy one for this."

You wouldn't buy a N64 Classic if it had the majority of the games you liked? I personally am not too impressed with N64 emulators as I always come across a game that has some kind of graphical or audio glitch because of the emulation.

Posted August 6th by Q
Q
 

You wouldn't buy a N64 Classic if it had the majority of the games you liked?


Well for one thing n64 was kind of a lowpoint for me with nintendo actually. But the emulators worked fine enough for me. It did take some hassle to get everything right and get the right plugins but it's worth it. What isn't worth it to me is buying the console all over again when I've already bought one in the past and the games for it anyway.

Posted August 6th by KnokkelMillennium
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