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I was thinking about trying it out but i've also heard that the file size for it is pretty huge and I don't have the fastest internet so I wanna know if it's worth it. Also is it not an FF I should start the series with? Because oddly enough I have never really played an FF game (thought I was looking forward to the 7 remake)

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VII, while my personal favorite, would not be a good place to pick the series up. I've heard that XV is good, but if you just want a great introduction to the series for little investment, play VI. Amazing characters, amazing gameplay, amazing music and graphics, amazing story. Brutal villain who fucks the world.

Posted August 25th by Cruinn-Annuin

Never played it. I would say if you want to play final fantasy start with vi if you want little investor in time and a great story with good characters. If you want the best ff experience I’d suggest IX

Posted August 25th by Brandy

Start with 10 because it's easy and is a good entry point. I personally started with VIII, mainly because it was the newest at the time.

Posted August 25th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

If you get the switch FF III remake is projected to come out for it sometime soon. But that might not be for awhile. And the swirch’s internet connection the system’s memory is amazing. Are you playing on the PC useinf homewvtew haxxoes?

Posted August 25th by weid man

7 is a great game but I don't think I'd start with it unless you're really averse to playing the older 2D games

6 would probably be a good place to start (also one of the best)

5 is a personal favorite I'm really partial to, but I don't know if I'd start with it - as I recall it can be relatively tough depending on what jobs you level up (and how much you level them). It's not as well-known because it didn't originally come west. but from what I've seen it's generally popular among people who did play it.

4 is also v good (if a little heavy on temporary party members); I'd probably go with either it or 6 as an intro to the series

10 is overrated, mediocre, and overall disappointing. Some people really like it, and I've never understood those people (no offense intended).


15 is a big-budget shitshow that you shouldn't play unless you like beautiful games with unrealized dreams of grandeur. It's also frustratingly popular among people with shitty taste (in RPGs, at least). It's nice to look at, has some good ideas, does a nice job with the "bros on a road trip" vibe, and has a lot of open roaming with side content. But the controls are poorly-designed, the combat is stupid, some of the mechanics are ill-conceived, and the plot is horrible. I went into it with lowered expectations and no hype (only played it at release because my brother bought it), and was disappointed nonetheless. It wanted to be a great epic and it could have been, but it fell far short in most of the ways that mattered.

the over of Stand By Me that serves as its theme is good stuff though, just listen to that instead of playing it:



Posted August 25th by Pirate_Ninja

10 is too easy, but the first time through I wouldn't say it's overrated. The story telling and plot are great. Edge gave it a 6/10. The music and vibrancy are great, the combat system is addictive and it can be made harder either by doing no sphere grid, single character only challenges, or by battling monster arena creatures. To call it disappointing only applies if you need a game to be challenging from start to finish. It has other great elements. It's no no means the best FF game but it's worth at least one play through for the plot and art/music.

Posted August 25th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Start with 10


Do not start with X. It's one of the worst in the series. The characters are mostly gay and annoying, the gameplay is downright bizarre and it's somehow even more restrictively linear than usual.

10 is overrated, mediocre, and overall disappointing.


Agreed.

Posted August 25th by Cruinn-Annuin

Final Fantasy 9 is a great game, set in traditional Final Fantasy gameplay but has a great story, good graphics and FMV for the time and great music. You could donwrong starting with that.

Posted August 25th by Q
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IX is also very acceptable, but I think that a notable amount of the attraction that I feel for it has to do with how poignant and quaint it is compared to the previous two. I think it would be well-received as a first FF game, but even moreso as a third or fourth game.

As risk of digressing into completely irrelevant micromanaging, I would probably tell someone to play the games in this order if they wanted highlights of the entire series: I, IV, VI, VII, IX, XII.

Posted August 25th by Cruinn-Annuin

I actually sorta left out 9 for the same reason tbh. It felt like a "return to classic form" sort of thing, and that charm gets lost if that's where you start from. It's a great entry to the series, but I do think you'd lose a bit of what makes it so by starting there.

As risk of digressing into completely irrelevant micromanaging, I would probably tell someone to play the games in this order if they wanted highlights of the entire series: I, IV, VI, VII, IX, XII.
heh, it never hurts to talk about it anyway. For me I think it'd be I (unless they can't deal with how brutally retro it is), 4-7, and 9. I'd like to check out 12 sometime, but I only ever played the demo that unforgivably marred the beautiful boxart for Dragon Quest 8 (don't plaster a PLAYABLE FF12 DEMO INSIDE across that colorful, hand-drawn charm you FUCKS).


To call it disappointing only applies if you need a game to be challenging from start to finish.
but the difficulty level wasn't really why I ended up feeling that way. I didn't care for about half of my party members, the plot didn't pull me in, the antagonist was a big yawn, and it felt like an overly-linear "adventure" long before the nickname "Final Hallway 13" was born (never played 13 btw so I'm not criticizing it - I just got a chuckle from that when it came out). I just...wasn't enjoying myself a lot of the time with 10.

Posted August 25th by Pirate_Ninja

For me Final Fanatsy IX was the last final fantasy I finished. I started X but didn’t finish it because I just couldn’t stand the main characters VA and it was too easy to the point it just felt like a movie you were watching. I wouldn’t recommend VII or VIII because Cloud and Squall were just so boring and I couldn’t connect to them at all. I recommend IX because you said you never played a final fantasy before so theirs a chance you might just play one and I think everything fulfilling and enjoyable as a whole about the series and available in IX. It’s really te only final Fantasy you need to play.

Posted August 25th by Brandy

I wouldn’t recommend VII or VIII because Cloud and Squall were just so boring and I couldn’t connect to them at all.


I understand not connecting to them if you're not a teenage dude, but I don't know about "boring". Squall, maybe, because he's much more guarded and defensive, trying to keep up a cold exterior for a good while. Cloud has some intrigue right from the beginning of the game, though - an ex-military supersoldier now fighting for a terrorist resistance makes you wonder about what happened in his past. If you follow that thread, it turns into a giant snarl of mystery and psychological drama.

Posted August 25th by Cruinn-Annuin

Well I'm not complaining about all of the suggestions and I may start with one of them instead but I primarily wanted opinions on 15.

It's nice to look at, has some good ideas, does a nice job with the "bros on a road trip" vibe, and has a lot of open roaming with side content.


The "nice to look at but it's mostly shit" argument is one I've encountered with games I actually liked before. In those cases the graphics simply added to it, they weren't what was great about it at all. Though I will keep that in mind.

It's also frustratingly popular among people with shitty taste (in RPGs, at least).


But how do you know if it's shitty taste if taste is subjective? (pumpkin)

Edited August 25th by KnokkelMillennium

Final Fantasy XV is not the best in the series, but it isn't the worst. I honestly had a more enjoyable experience with it than any FF since FFX.

I recommend it, but don't do ALL the sidequests. I think you'll like the four main characters but find the side characters lacking. That said, the four bros make up for the meh npcs.

If we're talking starting points, I actually recommend Final Fantasy IX. That's where I started, and it's probably the best in the series.

If graphics bother you (and, really, only young gamers should be bothered by graphics needing to look pretty), Final Fantasy XV is a very pretty game for sure. FFVII on the other hand looks kind of dated BUT the gameplay, story, world, music, and characters all make up for it.

Posted August 25th by Laxan
Laxan
 

because my taste is objectively superior to theirs, given that they think it's good c:

the unpredictable part of this whole question, of course, is that you're approaching it from the perspective of someone new to the series, who presumably has no investment or predetermined sense of what a Final Fantasy "should be." One of my main issues with the game is that it's a godawful representation of the series - aside from some names and monster designs, it has little in common with the earlier games I enjoyed. You'd have more freedom to judge the game as a standalone experience.

(a standalone experience with a single playable character (who's kinda tedious), a limited supporting cast, poorly-optimized controls, frustrating design choices, a terrible story that skips around and seems to expect you to watch a prequel movie, predictable "twists," and the worst love story I've ever experienced, feeling painfully forced and ill-developed between you and an utterly boring fiancé)


It’s really te only final Fantasy you need to play.
truly a revolting sentiment

Posted August 25th by Pirate_Ninja

But objectively there are no objectives in taste because it's based entirely on the subjective!

the unpredictable part of this whole question, of course, is that you're approaching it from the perspective of someone new to the series, who presumably has no investment or predetermined sense of what a Final Fantasy "should be."


Ya I get that. It happens a lot with the newer fire emblem games coming from the old fans. And while I held that mentality I think that the newer games are alright, but they feel different somehow. And yet, those games are much more popular than the ones that came before them and get better ratings. I obviously disagree and I don't think those ratings are objectively right or either awakening or fates are objectively good but I don't know if I can say they're wrong for liking it.

I do get what you're saying though and I kind of figured it was different which is why I was wondering if I should start there, but at the same time I think I'm capable of distinguishing it from the rest of the series if the rest of it does impress me that much and it really would feel that out of place to me.

Also I stumbled upon Cindy on the internet several times. Is there uh... an explanation for what she's dressed like that or is it just one of those things that just happens? Does that happen a lot in FF?

(a standalone experience with a single playable character (who's kinda tedious), a limited supporting cast, poorly-optimized controls, frustrating design choices, a terrible story that skips around and seems to expect you to watch a prequel movie, predictable "twists," and the worst love story I've ever experienced, feeling painfully forced and ill-developed between you and an utterly boring fiancé)


Wow you really seem to despise it.

Edited August 25th by KnokkelMillennium

truly a revolting sentiment

Well most people don’t have all the time in the world tonolay games so I suggested the best one. To describe IX’s reverie as nostalgic or a return to form that only someone who had played this previous older final fantasies would appreciate, is inaccurate. It’s probably smarter and more mature than the FFVII or VIII and I think he’d like the story

Edited August 26th by Brandy

@KnokkelMillennium: Looking at XV as its own game without comparing it to the other games in the series, it's a pretty good time. Just not an amazing spectacle that will sway you and make you reflect on your own life like IX or VII would. It is an enjoyable game all its own and doesn't need the other games to be a fun time. Pick it up and try it for yourself--it isn't too expensive these days. Besides, all the updates to it since launch have added a lot to it. It is more action-oriented than the other Final Fantasy games, but I don't think that would be an issue with you. I don't feel the controls are bad myself. Just a tad convoluted.

Yes, Cindy's design is a common thing in Final Fantasy. That's just typical Japanese entertainment for you.

Ergo, Tifa from FFVII:


Even the best Final Fantasy does this--Beatrix from FFIX:


And every game is different with a new cast of characters, a new world, and a new story in each entry. In a sense, jumping in to any Final Fantasy won't hurt your experience (unless you play the stupidly hard games on the NES) since they are each so different from each other, including gameplay. That is what I love and respect about the Final Fantasy series so much--its willingness to change and try something different with each main entry, whether it fails or not.

I started with IX and that did not hurt my love for the franchise even though I am fairly positive that IX is the best in the series. The best writing, characters, gameplay, world, music...everything is near perfection. And I see your avatar is from Undertale, so you should be no stranger to a turn-based RPG. Why not give the best entry a shot if you're uncertain?

Posted August 26th by Laxan
Laxan
 

Ya I'll think about it.

Yes, Cindy's design is a common thing in Final Fantasy. That's just typical Japanese entertainment for you.


I see. I think it's mostly the graphics and how revealing her outfit is that makes it a bit awkward. Don't get me wrong though, it's not that I'm a prude or anything at all. It just can sometimes feel out of place like going on this adventure and stuff and then all of the sudden that happens. At least as far as canon stuff goes. Idk.

Edited August 26th by KnokkelMillennium

Wow you really seem to despise it.
don't get me wrong - I still put a lot of time into it, and there are definitely things to enjoy. It was never so bad that I considered quitting, and I don't regret playing it or anything. What you're hearing there is a combination of frustration toward the disappointing parts of the game, and toward the people who praise it. I like both turn-based and action combat, so I don't mind that they shifted away from the old games' style in that sense. But I found 15's version of action combat to be incredibly clunky and unsatisfying, and that's probably the worst place to go wrong imo. Good gameplay and bad story would be better than bad gameplay and good story (sadly, 15 was "mediocre gameplay and bad story" imo). And then right after I finished 15 I started the Nier Automata demo and was all "fuck yes squenix THIS is you making fun action combat I'm totally getting this when it comes out" and both the gameplay and story were way more enjoyable (without some ridiculous massive multimedia PR hype campaign).

consider the tl;dr version of my opinion to be "don't listen to any glowing positive reviews - it's notably flawed, but you can still have a good time with it"


Also I stumbled upon Cindy on the internet several times. Is there uh... an explanation for what she's dressed like that or is it just one of those things that just happens?
technically, no. Really, I feel like it's partly because there are only a handful of female characters in the game and they wanted someone to be "the hot one." But I think you could reasonably explain it by saying she's a young woman working a male-dominated profession (assuming their world is like ours) and she's maintaining some femininity. Maybe she'd like to attract a guy and start a family one day. Maybe "distracting" the male customers with her good looks lets her get away with charging higher prices. It's not like she actually acts lewd in-game (leaning over to show cleavage, finding excuses to bend over in front of you, acting like you'll be her big hunky studmuffin who might get to Do Stuff with her if you do her a favor...silly shit like that). She just dresses in a...nontraditional way by our standards :J

Does that happen a lot in FF?
off the top of my head, she's probably the "worst" example aside from maybe Fran (from 12) or Lulu (10, featuring a dress that's like 50% belts). You're typically in a fantasy world with weird clothing as a common thing, some characters (male or female) are designed to be attractive. I don't think they go overboard.

also shame on laxan for taking advantage of shitty early 3D to use my girl as a bad example. Here's a more modern take at her classic outfit, from one of their mobile games:



still definitely designed to look attractive, just not with cartoonish bad-perspective bazongas

(also, speaking of laxan's examples, I'm still disappointed that MINOR VAGUE FF9 SPOILER KINDA )


Well most people don’t have all the time in the world tonolay games so I suggested the best one. To describe IX’s reverie as nostalgic or a return to form that only someone who had played this previous older final fantasies would appreciate, is inaccurate. It’s probably smarter and more mature than the FFVII or VIII and I think he’d like the story
it's not my favorite and I wouldn't necessarily call it the best, but I certainly wouldn't call you wrong if you think it is. File that under "I disagree, but I respect your opinion." And it's totally accurate to say that only someone who played other FFs can appreciate that it returns to series roots in some form (I'm not saying anything dumb like "you'll only like it if you played the older ones.") You just factually can't appreciate the comparison if you don't have anything to compare it to, you know? It's like if you asked me "how does that taste?" and I said "it tastes just like [something you've never had], but with a little more spice."

I just object to calling it "the only one you need to play," as if the rest are categorically inferior and rendered obsolete. There are a lot of changes across the series, and several games that I'd call comparable if not better for various reasons. I love FF5's job system, for instance, and I don't think they really did anything like it again in the series. 9 does a lot of great things, but it doesn't have that kind of customization - you've got specific characters with specific talents. Different entries have different strong points that can appeal to different tastes, and I'm just highlighting that c:

Posted August 26th by Pirate_Ninja

Final Fantasy 10:

It's true that if you take the game at face value and ignore the really amazing storytelling and world building it does, you can beat it by spamming aeons in most cases. And the Final Boss literally can't defeat you so there's that too. It also has a couple of spots with really really bad voice acting that you wish you could skip on subsequent play throughs. See Tidus Laugh...and Tidus laugh again at Al Behd's home...

Now that we have that out of the way:

I am defending FF10 because while it does have it's faults, it's also just a really good game with surprising depth if you let it have that depth.

Chocobo Training Mini Game:

This game is challenging and requires some serious reflexes and nimble thumbs, and as you begin to master it it can become really addictive. There's also Remiem Temple with Chocobo racing and several other fun areas where you can use them too.

No Sphere Grid Challenge:

Did you know that FFX's easy difficulty is just that? An Easy setting, with a much harder setting hidden behind personal honor. If you opt to not use the sphere grid at all, the game is still beatable but it becomes astronomically more difficult. You'll need to learn to master Rikku's steal/use commands and her mix overdrive, and honestly playing FFX without ever touching Yuna is so much more fun anyway even if you do use the sphere grid.

Single Character Challenges:

You can also beat the same by using No Sphere Grid in areas where you can't use a certain character, and ONLY using that character when you can. I have beaten the game with Just Tidus, and I've beaten it with Just Rikku. The game is so much more fun because your enemies get more turns because you have to waste the turns of the other characters in your party. You really need to think, and you have to be extremely wary of OHKO moves from your opponent.

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And you guys can argue that the game should offer modes where you are forced to submit to such honor. A natural higher difficulty. I would agree with you. But the point is, you can still do it if you set out to do it, and it does add replayability and fun to an otherwise really easy game.

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Then there's the fact that on the first play through, there is a lot of voice acting that is really really good. Some of Yuna's Speeches, One-Liners from Auron, and I think Kelk Ronso is a surprisingly interesting character too.

Spoilers:



Even if you play it once and spam aeons and it's really easy, the story is still there to be appreciated. And it's one of the only games that has ever brought a tear to my eye.


Edited September 14th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

played X once, didn't finish because I got excessively bored around the time I got an airship.

didn't use aeons much, didn't have fun with the revolving-door let-me-see-who-I-should-use battle system. Disliked about half the playable cast, didn't really enjoy or care about the story (no doubt in part because I didn't give a shit about Tidus or Yuna). I didn't like the sorta-customizable-ish character building of the sphere grid - I'd rather have either role-dedicated characters (FF1, FF4, DQ8) or deeply-customizable characters (FF5, DQ6, BD), not FFX's awkward middle ground. Overall it felt like being led from point A to point B on a quest I didn't care about, using a mediocre cast to fight boring battles.

Posted September 14th by Pirate_Ninja

You almost finished it if you got to the airship.

Posted September 14th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

that's what I've heard, yeah. If I had learned that soon after the fact I probably would've gone back and forced my way onward, but that was like...years later. Y'know, that point where you've forgotten the fine points of the plot and any clever battle strats you had going?

ah well...I'd be willing to give it another chance one day to see if my opinion's changed at all, but it's a lower priority than other backlogged stuff

Posted September 14th by Pirate_Ninja

Probably not worth it if you didn't like it the first time.

Posted September 14th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

that's what makes it a lower priority. But since I never actually finished it and I don't remembering it being aggressively shitty, I'm open to the possibility.

FF2 is one that I gave a second chance to years after my first shot at it, and I feel that was likely less deserving of it :J

Posted September 15th by Pirate_Ninja
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