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Is anyone else watching The Dragon Prince?
Posted: Posted February 16th by Cetasaurus

Netflix Original. By the guy who did ATLA. I like it well enough so far. Just straight-up binged season 2 I'll admit.

Many of the characters are quite complex for being, like, a kids show. No clean-cut "villain." (Well...)

Pretty dragons. 😍

I have no idea what to do with myself now.

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Don’t even know what or where it is.
But I don’t have cable or Internet until February 28 or March 4 anyway.

Posted February 16th by chiarizio

Yeah, I binged season 2 (to be fair, 9 episodes is hardly a season. Avatar had 26 episodes per season).

Season 1 was very dark, and the story was not very slick. We felt kind of thrown into it. I wasn't thrilled with it. But by season 2 they really got their shit together and picked up their game. Heart of a Titan was a majorly good episode: if we can get a few more of those next season, this would be a 5-star show for sure. But even so, what Avatar did well was not just being a sophisticated show, but pulling it off so well. It's so perfectly structured nobody can lose track of the story.

I am also 100% in favor of small, cute dragons over gigantic ugly ones.

If I can nit pick (as I always do), the episodes do a terrible job laying out the foundation of the journey. In Avatar there was always a map. We know where the Water Nation is, where the Fire Nation is, how long it will take to get to Ba Sing Se. The journey here is jarring. We're supposed to take this Dragon back to its mother... but why, again? How will this stop the war? It's one thing to build suspense, but it's another to leave the structure so loose we can't grasp onto the story with a firm grip anymore. It's not symbolic, it's meandering. And with all the death and destruction and angst in every episode, no, this is definitely not a kid's show. And even though it has a similar spirit to Avatar, this spirit is not so bright and gleaming.

"Make Avatar darker" is not a one-size fits-all solution. What worked well for Seasons 2 and 3 of Avatar do not immediately translate into equal success for Korra, which hopefully became obvious by Seasons 2 or 4. Yes, this show could be better. But for what it's worth, yes, it is a great show. Just not as grandiose or epic as Avatar was.

Posted February 16th by mariomguy

Yeah I agree that season 2 was an improvement.

If I can nit pick (as I always do), the episodes do a terrible job laying out the foundation of the journey. In Avatar there was always a map. We know where the Water Nation is, where the Fire Nation is, how long it will take to get to Ba Sing Se. The journey here is jarring. We're supposed to take this Dragon back to its mother... but why, again? How will this stop the war?

That's a good point as well. Although I think part of why they're taking it back is for the dragon's well-being (back when they first found the egg and Ezran was like "He yearns for his mom" or something), making it quintessentially the "right thing to do" regardless of the global politics going on.

There are a lot of plot points that seem to rely on "doing the right thing," though, that have me asking why. Like when

I guess in general it does get a bit tricky to track each character's fundamental motivations.

Posted February 17th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

Don’t even know what or where it is.

Netflix. :)

Posted February 17th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

That's a good point as well. Although I think part of why they're taking it back is for the dragon's well-being (back when they first found the egg and Ezran was like "He yearns for his mom" or something), making it quintessentially the "right thing to do" regardless of the global politics going on.

But we saw he actually yearned for Callum. Rayla said the elves hated the humans for stealing the dragon egg/believing they were going to harness its power, but all we need for everything to be right in the world is an announcement: THE DRAGON IS OK. Nobody's after the dragon, they're after the princes: they want to return them home. Some want them killed. The entire purpose of the show's journey is a plot hole: not one to improve any of the characters, but a package delivery. There was a much better sense of purpose to the journey in The Last Airbender: master all the elements, grow up and learn responsibility, help many people along the way, all leading up to the big fight against Ozai to end the war. Here, there is a journey with no real backbone. This isn't a special dragon, or a key to unlocking the power of the Earth, there isn't any prophesy to fulfill, or anything else: it's just a pointless journey and a lot of stuff happens along the way. I hope season 3 clarifies the importance of this Dragon being in Xadia because if I still don't have a clear, solid answer for that after 2 seasons, something's gone horribly wrong.

Posted February 18th by mariomguy

I don't really mean to disagree with you. I'm convinced of all your main points here, and would like to see that in season 3 as well. For now, I do think there's at least some understandable reason to take the dragon to Xadia.
  • So he can be with his mom (and sure, dragon also misses Ezran; but Ezran points out pretty firmly that he is incapable of raising a dragon)
  • Can't just announce "the dragon is OK" because then everyone on the political chessboard would want to use it to their own ends
  • The Xadians might not take that announcement as being in good-faith, because dragon's still in the possession of the enemy
  • I guess that's basically it

    What did you think of

  • Posted February 19th by Cetasaurus
    Cetasaurus
    Formerly KM8

    I saw this on netflix and was like "eh why not"

    It's actually really really good so far. Except the elf-chick's accent, that's horrible.

    I'm on episode 4 of season 1.

    Edited February 19th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful

    Sorry if we spoiled anything. :S

    Posted February 19th by Cetasaurus
    Cetasaurus
    Formerly KM8

    I haven't read any of your posts yet, no worries. Just finished up season 1.

    Posted February 19th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful





    Posted February 19th by mariomguy

    Well that was an interesting use of six hours. I guess I'll read you guys's posts now.

    Posted February 19th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful

    Geez, you binged the ENTIRE show?! What do you think?

    Posted February 19th by mariomguy

    So, I'm gong to have to disagree with you guys on almost everything





    Posted February 19th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful

    I liked it a lot. There were obviously some bad plot mechanics and really dumb moments, but the characters are surprisingly deep and three-dimensional. Even the "villain" doesn't fully feel like a villain, although



    The mythology wasn't super original or anything but the story isn't about the mythology so that's okay. The various magic systems make sense and follow their own internal logic.

    Despite some obvious flaws the story is extremely well-crafted and the characters doubly so.

    Edited February 19th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful

    As soon as I compare to Avatar, though, there's no comparison. It's one thing to have a twist that's deserved, but another thing entirely to write yourself into a corner and just have an easy out. We're basically seeing a first draft in the first season, and a second draft in the second. If every episode was as good as Heart of a Titan, I'd be singing more praises. If these few flaws were fixed, the series would definitely be a 5-star show. But now, it's just barely 4 in my mind.



    Posted February 20th by mariomguy



    Edited February 20th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful



    It's a Deus-Ex Machina, dude.

    Posted February 20th by mariomguy

    It's not, it was hinted at for tons of episodes.

    Posted February 20th by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful


    No connection or logic here, it's one of the loosest magic systems I've ever seen.

    Edited February 21st by mariomguy



    Posted February 21st by Xhin
    Xhin
    Nature is beautiful

    I've only seen the first episode but I have to ask: do they explain WHERE the power of the dark magic comes from and how mankind discovered it? With Avatar, they explain how the bending works and where people learned to use it

    Posted March 2nd by -Riku-
    -Riku-
     

    I've only seen the first episode but I have to ask: do they explain WHERE the power of the dark magic comes from and how mankind discovered it? With Avatar, they explain how the bending works and where people learned to use it

    Yes, but it's not like Avatar. The answer is far less intriguing.

    Posted March 4th by mariomguy

    The first episode told me as such. The intro didn't really explain or demonstrate the difference between the forms of magic, whereas with Avatar you can visually see the different styles of bending

    Posted March 5th by -Riku-
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