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In regards to interracial marriage 85 has a point.
Posted: Posted January 20th by S.O.H.
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Well not really. Consenting adults should be free to marry who ever they want. Regardless of race, sexuality, class etc.

While I don't believe in 85s nonsense of keeping a race pure, it is clear as day that in order for cultures to survive marriages have to be kept within the same racial group.

Now it is possible for a culture to survive if outsiders are introduced but said outsider really has to assimilate to the best of their ability.

Now some of you might be thinking "S.O.H. things were okay when you started agreeing with Famov, but 85? Have you gone mad?"

Possibly a little. I am getting older, and in my travels I met this cafe owner who gave me some interesting advice: "Make a List of the negotiable and non negotiable things that you want out of life" now said list is in my leather journal.

This list to my understanding should help me carve out the type of life I want to have. And with that comes the question who do I want to spend my life with.

Initially my list included that my future partner should be able to speak Spanish. There are a lot of expats from all over the world here in Guatemala that meet that criteria. (South Korea and Japan being the biggest outside of the White Guilt Americans and Canadians)


But now that I've been in country for 4 months (2 months at might site) I've come to the realization that marrying a Latina is my new Non Negotiable. That includes indigenous Mayan women. Our cultures (me being Mexican) are similar and there are aspects that I enjoy a lot more than my own. ( food and misogyny being the exception)

Now I am not sure why I am making this post. Especially in politics. I would like to hear about inter racial experiences from other users. There are a handful of brits left, I would like to hear the views of Inter racial relations from that side of the world.

Now for me all this is new territory for me. Growing up I wasn't a fan of my ethnic background. Thinking back it had to do with the fact that I wasn't American enough for my fellow Americans and I was too white washed for my fellow Mexicans. Other Mexican Americans straight up sucked.

As a result I went out of my way to date outside of it. The older ive gotten the more ive grown to accept it who I was. This has been made easier by being in Guatemala. As a Mexican American I am 100% percent accepted. People enjoy the fact that I am not judgemental like their neighbors to the North nor am I as ignorant or clueless to social norms like my "white" American Counterparts.

For me accepting and acknowledging the fact that I want to marry a latina, hopefully an indigenous one at that, is big big big news. Possibley the biggest for my Mexican family.

As much as the left tries to deny it, minorities are some of the racist people in the U.S. growing up any one of indigenous latino origin (Oaxaca) was the butt end of every racial joke in my family. It was/ is bad.

Now that ive lived alongside an indigenous family and serve a predominately indigenous community I will fight any one who discriminates against them or any one else for that matter.

Any who I am rambeling.

TLDR:

what are your thoughts on interracial relationships? Especially those of you who are in the U.K. or abroad.


TLDR part 2 Electric boogalooo: Going to share my life with a Mayan Queen and y'all invited to the wedding.

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you do you, man

Posted January 20th by poptart!
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So I'm sure everyone knows, I married a Mexican lady. I struggle to figure out what are cultural differences and what are just familial ones between us. I can't speak Spanish well except small sentences but I can figure out almost what everyone is saying and I can read practically all of it. Sure my wife gets upset that I can't speak it well but I wasn't raised with that language at all. Learning one at 22 isn't easy despite it being literally everywhere around here.

For me accepting and acknowledging the fact that I want to marry a latina, hopefully an indigenous one at that, is big big big news.

I'm all for marrying whoever you want. I'm only not for people looking down on others for not keeping their race "pure", etc. Yes marrying someone of a completely different culture is tough as you find both quirks and annoyances. It definitely IS easier if you're of the same culture.

As much as the left tries to deny it, minorities are some of the racist people in the U.S.

This is really true and it's honestly a funny hypocrisy at times. I see many Latino people get upset if people think they're Mexican (I mean it's the most common Latino category) and they're instead Cuban, etc. But they refer literally any Asian person as "chino" (Chinese) even if you state they're Japanese. My sister in law talks about people being racist against black and hispanic people (and is of the mind that you can't be racist against white people) but then totally shits all over Asian people saying how they smell bad or can't drive.

it is clear as day that in order for cultures to survive marriages have to be kept within the same racial group.

I mean, true but that's rather insular. Cultures evolve all the time. It's best not to force it but to let it morph, continue, or die naturally.

Posted January 20th by Fox Forever
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I have not done enough research to fully understand the impact of interracial relations.

I would not have a relationship with someone that has mainly non-European features simply because I am not attracted to them.

Posted January 20th by 9x19
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Values/personality are far bigger barriers than race.

The idea that races are tied to specific cultures unconditionally is complete nonsense. My last girlfriend was the perfect example of this -- i listened to significantly more rap than she did, and she listened to significantly more metal and industrial than I did, despite me being white and her being black. We both liked both genres though so it worked.

Statistically speaking, yeah you're more likely to find people with values you like if you stay within ethnic groups that are a majority that culture. Provided there's an ethnic group that actually matches what you want. But there are plenty of interesting exceptions out there too.

Posted January 20th by Xhin
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While I don't believe in 85s nonsense of keeping a race pure, it is clear as day that in order for cultures to survive marriages have to be kept within the same racial group.


Culture isn't the same as race. Not to mention, every racial group is comprised of nearly endless cultures. (We tend to think of culture as "African" or "Latino," but the cultures can often be extremely different across the continents. Shoot, almost every single Native American tribe has different culture, despite counting as the "same race.") I also don't think one needs marriage in general to keep a culture alive. Most cultures don't exist in a vacuum anyway and will inevitably co-opt some things.

The cultures that hold racial purity as a main tenant or a highly rated value are probably not cultures worth defending and perpetuating.

Posted January 20th by Jet Presto
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There are some cultures that are particular to some races or ethnic groups is my whole point. There are some cultures that are similiar if not interchangeable between the same races and or ethnic groups.

Posted January 20th by S.o.h.
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The cultures that hold racial purity as a main tenant or a highly rated value are probably not cultures worth defending and perpetuating


I disagree. If a ethnic group wants to marry within their own race exclusively I am not against that.

Posted January 20th by S.o.h.
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Now if they are advocating for mass genocide and living space i would agree with you.

Posted January 20th by S.o h
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I'm more with Jet and Xhin on this one. It's never felt odd being with someone who is race-mixed and non-white at least. Someone who probably to some extent had cultural elements from not one, but 2 of her parents. Just felt like we were people, no cultural clashes just our point of views are different sometimes but not really much if at all in a cultural sense. Things are still going great. Culture isn't necessarily tied to race, culture doesn't necessarily conflict with the way someone of another race is and thinks and does things and such may in some way be able to be considered part of that culture more or less, multicultural is a culture too, not everyone cares about culture very much.

As much as the left tries to deny it, minorities are some of the racist people in the U.S. growing up any one of indigenous latino origin (Oaxaca) was the butt end of every racial joke in my family. It was/ is bad.

This is really true and it's honestly a funny hypocrisy at times. I see many Latino people get upset if people think they're Mexican (I mean it's the most common Latino category) and they're instead Cuban, etc. But they refer literally any Asian person as "chino" (Chinese) even if you state they're Japanese. My sister in law talks about people being racist against black and hispanic people (and is of the mind that you can't be racist against white people) but then totally shits all over Asian people saying how they smell bad or can't drive.

I don't think many deny it so much as it's not focused on as much. Again, the whole "you can't be racist against white people" and related thing while it exists in a more general context too, I think more often it's referring to institutional racism and such.

Yes there are people who who do this in a more general sense but I don't think they're a majority at all and definitely shouldn't be referred to so broadly as "the left". I agree that the people who do it in a more general sense are wrong and should be told there wrong, because obviously anyone of any race and can hate other races (or even their own race) but I would prefer it not be generalized into the left. It would be more accurate to say some of the left.

it is clear as day that in order for cultures to survive marriages have to be kept within the same racial group.

I don't really see a reason why this is necessarily true. For example, if you were still in america and you met someone of your own race, they may simply be too far away from their tendencies for culture. But it's also possible you could meet someone not of your race who might have found your culture really interesting and in practice might be close to it. Plus, it's possible some of your culture may rub off through you, or it may pass on through your child. There's no reason at all it necessarily has to be race related.

And I am saying this reading your most recently posts, I just see no reason to believe it has to be about races specifically. I also don't personally understand why culture is so important that it changes your lifestyle choices but that's me, as poptart said you do you. For me culture is mostly an interesting thing you can look at from a distance not necessarily something that should change my lifestyle choices or my outlooks.

Edited January 21st by Grey Echelon
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Hispanics are white

Posted January 21st by And the band played on
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