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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


President Trump has a lot of political enemies. And the conventional wisdom in Washington has long and very obviously been that any pain for the president — be it a midterm shellacking, a 2020 electoral ouster, or a damning series of indictments from Special Counsel Robert Mueller — would benefit those who have long opposed him. This is obviously true.

But none of that means that Trump's friends (or frenemies) wouldn't also potentially benefit by the president's loss of power. Indeed, if Trump goes down, everyone might profit. Let's roll through the list.

The progressive left

Too far outside the mainstream to seize national power after Trump, the constellation of ideologies to the left of the establishment Democrats will nevertheless grow stronger when he's gone. Not only will the Jill Stein wing's coziness with Russia fade in the rear view, but anti-Clinton partisans will be re-energized, and huge celebrations among the under-40 set will ameliorate tensions between those for whom capital is the villain and those for whom it's white supremacy.

Establishment Democrats

Losing Trump to scandal means sweet vindication. But it also means pressure from the left is relieved, if only for a moment. At the state and city level, the Democratic base under Trump has swung far, far away from the likes of outgoing California Gov. Jerry Brown or embattled New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo. But at the federal level, the steady hand and principled opposition of well-ensconced Washington Democrats will become more valuable than ever. Especially from donors and heavyweight corporations, they'll want — and get — a post-Trump dividend.
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Republicans who mildly opposed Trump

Standard-issue GOPers in the mold of Marco Rubio looking to recover their established roles at the center of the party will have a field day in Trump's wake. Some will even take one last stab at convincing Americans they can go back to the days of Reagan — for real this time. But even more importantly, they can — and will — present themselves as having learned from the Trump debacle, retooling their candidates and their message for an "America First Lite" era.

Republicans who devotedly supported Trump

Yes, they'll get stronger too, even with their champion out of the picture. Nothing could be easier or more satisfying — or, honestly, more plausible — than pinning the failures of "Trumpism," whatever that was, on Trump's personal foibles. Always a transitional figure anyway, Trump's departure would clear the path for a younger, sharper, and more digitally canny leader — one who knows how to advocate burly-government nationalism that works more for working families than for unemployed Nazis.

And don't forget ...

Celebrities

With Trump out of the way, the race will be on to satisfy America's unabated craving to elevate wealthy celebrities without political experience to the highest echelons of power. You know it's true. Paging President Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson ...

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I don’t think going back to the status quo will do much, really. Remember, it was that same dissatisfied status quo that gave us Trump in the first place. I hate Trump as much as you do, but he is only a symptom of a larger problem.

What we need to do after Trump is (I sound like a broken record, but these are vital): get ALL money out of politics and do publicly funded elections, gut the imperialism/military industrial complex, kill the Patriot Act, end NSA spying, reform the entire federal government (all three branches) so that it serves the citizens rather than the corporations and Super PACs. Unfortunately I don’t see these things happening. Instead we will probably continue in our downward trajectory with or without Trump.

Edited May 28th by pacman
pacman
 

Also want to add that I don’t think Trump is some insane deviation from
the norm other than in rhetoric and personality. I don’t see how he is much different than a W. on steroids tbh. And Democrats have shown they refuse to learn from 2016 and so they can get fucked.

Posted May 28th by pacman
pacman
 

I don't think it's about going back to the status quo. Trump's election and his departure will change things for a lot of groups.

One thing that's pretty clear is the immense political awareness and activism that's erupting in the majority of the population, which has been done through Trump shock therapy almost daily since late 2016.

And I agree with you that he's a symptom of many problems, but he's also an active toxic agent as well. You have a guy like that in the seat of power of the United States, supremely corrupt, non-empathetic and pathologically egotistic, I think that kind of thing invites emulation and starts creating new norms in government. As soon as he's out, the better.

Posted May 28th by Agis
Agis
 

One thing that's pretty clear is the immense political awareness and activism that's erupting in the majority of the population, which has been done through Trump shock therapy almost daily since late 2016.

Yeah, I’ve been happy to see grassroots activists running for office and discussing the issues that matter. Unfortunately I don’t see this affecting big change on the federal level as I can see them being swallowed whole and assimilated by the DNC machine, especially as both share a common enemy in Trump.

And I agree with you that he's a symptom of many problems, but he's also an active toxic agent as well. You have a guy like that in the seat of power of the United States, supremely corrupt, non-empathetic and pathologically egotistic, I think that kind of thing invites emulation and starts creating new norms in government.

This is more true than I originally thought. Initially, I thought Trump would be so open with his corruption and scumbaggery that the people would be appalled and take action against it. Instead, people seem to accept it as par for the course and take the attotude of “Eh, at least it’s open corruption and not behind the scenes corruption like we’re used to.” And so rather than fighting against it, we’ve allowed open corruption to become the new norm, partly because our established political leadership doesn’t have a leg to stand on in criticizing Trump’s corruption - Trump and co. can sling the corruption mud right back at Democrats and not be wrong (this tactic would not have worked on Bernie Sanders, as Sanders is actually uncorrupt and uncompromised, which is partly why I considered him an infinitely stronger candidate than HRC and others).

The other thing is, the media only cares about ratings and covers Trump like a tabloid subject rather than the most powerful man in the world. For instance, Stormy Daniels was of minor importance as it revealed things about Cohen, but the media seems more focused on the sex scandal angle of it, turning Daniels into a celebrity just because it draws in ratings. Also, they cover the naughty things Trump says (“shithole countries”, making fun of McCain, etc.) more than they cover his actual political atrocities, partly for ratings and partly because they tend to agree with Trump’s atrocities (i.e. Brian Williams gushing about “the beauty of our weapons” as Trump bombed Syria).


Posted May 28th by pacman
pacman
 

Trump is not an anomaly. Trump is nothing but the establishment with its gloves off which, as pacman says, makes it difficult for the establishment to criticize him. Terrorize the Middle East, certainly, but don't be a *dick* about it!

Losing Trump to scandal will actually be worse for center-right Dems than letting him take a four year or even an eight year term because it will validate talk about the Deep State and by extension the Media Deep State. In that case, only the far left and far right benefit because it expands the Overton window indiscriminately.

If it puts Pence, who is clever enough not to have gotten his hands too dirty in this "Russian" scandal, in the drivers' seat, evangelicals may see a chance to recovery. The Democrats' best hope at succeeding without actually reforming into a proper left-wing party (which is what the DSA-Berniebro-tier left wants, and thus in Dems' opinion a failure) is to nominate a charismatic Obama-type, play to nostalgia, CAMPAIGN BETTER, and continue to make the argument that the system didn't fail in America, the people did.

Posted May 28th by Pink Peruvian Flying Blue
Pink Peruvian Flying Blue
 

But I want Drumpf to be taken down by Robert Mueller and not Stormy Daniels.

Posted May 28th by GC/MS
GC/MS
 

Oh look the left aligning with the establishment, really makes you think.

Posted May 30th by #85
#85

Depends who he is replacing. At this point, he'll being serving his entire 4 year term at least. If he gets impeached for w/e reason before, Mike Pence isn't exactly great..

Posted June 2nd by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

That's something I disagree with completely.

At least to me, I think Pence would only be better than Trump, because at least then we have someone who would reassure allies, won't embarrass the US on twitter, or be vulnerable to countless conflicts of interest abroad.

Now, if someone likes all that stuff, and at the same time don't like the Christian Right, and I'm sure there are some Trump supporters who are just like that, then yeah I guess it would be worse. But where that really matters, legislatively and in the appointing of supreme court justices, Trump is already doing what the Christian Right would.

Also, hypothetically, if Trump were to be replaced by Pence, it could go down in such a way that some people blame him for betraying Trump. In that case, I would assume he'll feel compelled to pardon Trump for whatever crimes he was impeached for.

Posted June 2nd by Agis
Agis
 
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