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Don't get me wrong: I hate fundies, and a lot of the bullshit concepts they espouse, and I can't see myself believing that the bible is an infallible book any time soon. I have a LOT of problems with Christianity that will need to be addressed before I seriously consider going back.

But lately, I've found myself praying more, including out of thanks, and ugh... "idolizing" God to seem more appealing and good and kind and loving and just, and actually wanting to connect to a higher power if one exists.

I still consider myself an atheist, but I feel like my desire for community and connection and hope has outweighed any care about whether or not any of it is actually true.

I've also started doing some introspection (especially since going cold turkey on compulsive eating basically forces me to confront my feelings instead of masking them) and feel like I'm starting to dig up feelings that I've been repressing that manifested for a long time as a hatred or religion, including those trolls using their soviet tactics of mocking my faith and using it against me.

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There's nothing wrong with being a Christian, or even being a fundamental Christian (depending on exactly what you mean by "fundamental").

I'm glad that you're making some kind of progress, though.

Posted January 30th by nullfather
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I still consider myself an atheist, but I feel like my desire for community and connection and hope has outweighed any care about whether or not any of it is actually true.

So you're fine to just be an atheist pretending that you still believe in a god for the sake of being around a community? Not that there's anything wrong with that, just curious if that's what you mean.

Posted January 30th by Fox Forever
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I've found myself praying more, including out of thanks, and ugh... "idolizing" God to seem more appealing and good and kind and loving and just, and actually wanting to connect to a higher power if one exists

I fail to see what that has to do with being a "Christian." Being a Christian means that you believe that Jesus Christ was God. Hence the name.

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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“IS” God, NOT was. Hence he IS eternal as are all true Christian believers.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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Oh, I thought He became gender-less after he ascended. Like, He only came down as a man as a pre-emptive measure. Its not like TBN can keep replaying scenes of a woman getting whipped every Easter. That's just sick.

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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At least you understand/know its pretend.

Edited January 30th by Psygnosis
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Plot twist, recalescence and psygnosis are the same person in disguise. Don’t be fooled cupola. Check his thread a few posts down (as recalescence ghost), read all of the replies and you’ll find out the truth to this matter.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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nvm that mean

Edited January 30th by Brandy
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i dont see how anyone can still believe in god in the 21st century


What does the time period have to do with it? Humans have always sought a higher purpose, as far back as prehistoric oral legends. Why do you think that we are suddenly beyond the idea of God? Especially considering that "God" doesn't necessarily mean "there is literally an angry bearded man in the clouds".

Posted January 30th by nullfather
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well i watched a lot of youtube videos of dawkins and he convinced me but that was rude to say i know there are christians on these website. also time period is kind of important. 10 years ago that we taught pluto was a planet, now we know its a star, so things change over time. but i personally believe people want to believe in something that is their choice.

Edited January 30th by Brandy
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Nothing can’t be made of nothing brandy. SOMEONE had to create this universe that we all live in. Heaven is unlimited space and time. And considering that apostle John is the primary source for the crucifixion and the resurrection, that proves that Jesus IS real and came to earth to save us from sin. Apostle John wrote his two books of scripture when the other three synoptic gospels (Matthew, mark, and Luke) were written in AD 90 approximately 60 years after Jesus returned to heaven after coming down to earth to save us from the dead.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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i literally know nothing about the bible, so ill take your word thats what it said. but even if god exist, why would someone want to worship a god who sent there son to be tortured?...js

Posted January 30th by Brandy
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Also Pluto is partbofbthe Kuiper belt but a new planet, Sedna is rumored to be existent.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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omg ur right lol they just reclassifed pluto as a planet. this just happened 2 days ago.. nevermind that example then lol.

for anyone who doesnt know dawkins this is a good video for you to watch. its the reason i am athesit now( not just this video but other videos hes made)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9uhE4CT2xM

Edited January 30th by Brandy
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omg ur right lol they just reclassifed pluto as a planet. this just happened 2 days ago.. nevermind that example then lol

I thought this came out as not true.

Posted January 30th by Fox Forever
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To show that He loves us and is willing to give up his flesh and soul and blood and bread to us in order to reevaluate who He truly is. The Pharisees were in denial that Jesus is in fact God until He was crucified and then they found out the real true things to the matter and confessed. But others still deny the resurrection and claim that Jesus is a false prophet. Those who do not believe in Him will be damned and He will eventually destroy the earth someday when this world happens to be intoxicated with evil everywhere with little or no good, since Adam and Eve are from the Apple on the wrong side of the garden of eden which God ordered them NOT to do but they disobeyed him and were cobnedbvy the devil, which ultimately brought sin into the world and we’re all sinners to some extent and need to repent and ask for forgiveness and be grateful that He gave us life even timid were living in shit. If Jesus hadn’t gotten crucified then we wouldn’t be able to obtain salvation when we die.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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What does the time period have to do with it?

Also yes this is really annoying as well. Many terrible things still happen, what year it is doesn't matter. Give better reasons rather than the year.

Like about flat-earthers. Say "I can't believe people still believe the earth is flat despite all the evidence." rather than "I can't believe people still believe the earth is flat and it's 2018."

Posted January 30th by Fox Forever
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wikipedia says its ap lanet now. and snopes says its not. idk what it is . also another reason time period has to do with it is because we know more about the world then we did 3000 years ago. cant we all agree you cant turn water into wine?

Posted January 30th by Brandy
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It says it's a dwarf planet. And the page for "dwarf planet" says...

"A dwarf planet is a planetary-mass object that is neither a planet nor a natural satellite"


Also no we can't agree that you can't. You may not be able to do so by staring at it or touching it but arrange elements/molecules and you may be able to. You're never supposed to say "can't" but "currently it's not possible" or "we have not observed a way in which that can happen".

Lastly identifying the time period is again irrelevant. Just say "we know enough..." instead of mentioning that it is current year.

Edited January 30th by Fox Forever
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Nothing can’t be made of nothing brandy.

lol wut?

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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And considering that apostle John is the primary source for the crucifixion and the resurrection, that proves that Jesus IS real and came to earth to save us from sin.

So Tupac must still be alive because I, a real person, am testifying that I saw him at the Kentucky Fried Chicken on Crenshaw and Slauson, yesterday.

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm being mean, Weid. I fully acknowledge the legitimacy of the Christian Faith. It's just the logic that individuals use to support it is just so funny sometimes XD

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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10 years ago that we taught pluto was a planet, now we know its a star, so things change over time.


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well i watched a lot of youtube videos of dawkins and he convinced me


Dawkins responds to low-hanging, nonsensical theism instead of anything more subtle or intellectual like deism. Like I said, "God" doesn't necessarily mean "there is literally an angry bearded man in the clouds".

but even if god exist, why would someone want to worship a god who sent there son to be tortured?


The Judeo-Christian tradition is not the only method of belief.

also another reason time period has to do with it is because we know more about the world then we did 3000 years ago.


And they knew more about the world than people did 3,000 years before that. That's completely relative.

cant we all agree you cant turn water into wine?


Completely irrelevant response.

Posted January 30th by nullfather
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Lol Brandy, u even debate, bro?

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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Bro isn’t something you call a female user.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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I call my best friend bro and she's a girl :P

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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Call her brah instead since that’s whyt girls wear to cover their tits.

Posted January 30th by Weid man
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Lol Brandy, u even debate, bro?

arent i doing that right now? also arent you in atheist too, why do i want to debate you?

Edited January 30th by Brandy
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Completely irrelevant response.

why is that back then didnt understand what do we now about chemisty and liquids.

You're never supposed to say "can't" but "currently it's not possible" or "we have not observed a way in which that can happen".

yes were not supposed to say a lot of things..but at some points we have to be real with people wouldnt you agree? you cant turn water into wine

also ty weid. but i dont care if people laugh at my responses or call me if he wants to talk to me like a middle schooler thats his choice

Edited January 30th by Brandy
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I can see why you would think that I am an atheist. I'm an agnostic with a slight lean toward theism for comfort.

Posted January 30th by Recalescence
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I find it silly that you think because two people can be on the same side that they can't debate something.

Posted January 30th by Fox Forever
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why is that


Because you're cherrypicking an incredibly minor piece of lore and implying that you need to believe that an ancient Jewish man performed magical transmutation in order to invest in any sort of Christian spirituality. The fact of the matter is, you do not need to believe that every statement in the Bible is literally true in order to be a Christian.

Posted January 30th by nullfather
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The fact of the matter is, you do not need to believe that every statement in the Bible is literally true in order to be a Christian.

Blasphemy!!! I will summon demons to take you to HELL to BURN for ALL ETERNITY!!!!

Hocus Pocus ~Focus





http://www.youtube.com/v/g4ouPGGLI6Q
Edited January 30th by Psygnosis
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Yes you DO need to believer everything said in the Bible is true in order to become Christian otherwise it would be no use to read and believe the word. Worshipping God means putting all of your heart, mind, and soul in Christ and EVERYTHING stated in the Bible because GOD wrote it.

Posted January 31st by Weid man
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Faith means believer, as in trusting and obeying everything that is stated in He Word aka the Bible.

Posted January 31st by Weid man
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i didn't know that pluto was a star. what a surprise

Posted January 31st by poptart!
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Yes you DO need to believer everything said in the Bible is true in order to become Christian otherwise it would be no use to read and believe the word. Worshipping God means putting all of your heart, mind, and soul in Christ and EVERYTHING stated in the Bible because GOD wrote it


Not only are there multiple versions of the Bible, there are multiple translations of the various versions of the Bible. If you are serious about taking the Bible at its word, a semantic deconstruction of it would show that there are significant differences between the various editions. Which one is the right one? It is a book written, edited and interpreted by men, even if there was divine inspiration at the source.

Posted January 31st by nullfather
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You’re referring to textual criticism null. If you want to know which one is genuine; then please learn Aramaic like black mantle/Doctor doom is doing right now since he wants to get his divinity degree, because Jesus spoke Aramaic and it has been interpreted in different tongues since then, an oral tradition coincidentally callled Q (NOT the user here), and the Bible was made via papyrus a little after jesus’s Time and they decided which novels/chapters/books are canonical (aka worthy) and which ones aren’t, and only included the ones that are canonical. There are 39 books in the old restatement and 27 in the new. We don’t quite understand the wording sometimes because their cultural background is ambiguous for us to grasp since we live in such a. Contemporary world. Exegesis is how the wording of the Bible applied to the culture which Jesus lives through, and hemenuticw is joe the wording of the Bible applies to todayMs world culture (pop culture to word it more precisely).

Posted January 31st by Weid man
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All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness. Not historical accuracy.

Posted January 31st by Recalescence
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All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness. Not historical accuracy.


Are you saying that "the Bible" in general is right as long as it is "righteous"?

Posted January 31st by nullfather
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Just pointing out what the Bible says and implying what it doesn't:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I should have quotes before but I was too lazy to look up the location of the verse.

Posted February 1st by Recalescence
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