I believe the Greeks worshiped those whose deaths allowed others to live, and called them "Heroes." They also had a paradigm of tragic heroes.
A hero has got to be someone who saves people's lives. It doesn't have to be physically, either. Yes, you can be a hero and a jerk, or a tragic hero, and you can have flaws, but at the end of the day any story must serve a purpose.
Specifically what I don't like about Kamina is he doesn't feel the consequences of his actions as heavily as someone like, say, Inuyasha. His battle strategy is always barge in AND be obnoxious. He's one facepalm moment after another. At least Inuyasha feels consequences when he barges in without a plan. Yeah, a lot of times he follows through, defeats his foe, and play it straight, but there are just as many times when he can't. There are even times he justifies his actions against the better judgement of his friends and put a lot of people at risk. Sometimes he does things to help his friends that nobody asked him to do. Though stubborn and easily angered, he always follows his own path to do what he thinks is right. And there are times when more than one of the main characters are right.
Kamina... doesn't have any of that, from what I've seen. The plot armor allows him to survive multiple stupid fights with barely a scratch. He's constantly leading on the offense, and so far he constantly wins. Technically he's a hero for the aforementioned times he does win, but just as many times he needs to be saved himself. And I never doubted him for being a main character or a hero, I just felt the story wasn't as good.
>Technically he's a hero for the aforementioned times he does win, but just as many times he needs to be saved himself.
I mean, needing to be helped doesn't make you weak or not a hero.
Specifically for GL, however, Kamina is subtly aware of the role that he plays. A lot of the anime has to do with Kamina showing Simon that Simon can be a hero. Simon is a beta at the beginning of the show, even going as far as instantly trying to give the mech that he found to Kamina. Kamina doesn't want everything, though. He wants the people around him to become glorious.
If Kamina wanted to, he could just hang out in one of the villages, or travel from village to village like a normal person, defending himself from beastmen with tactics like the other people do. He doesn't want that. He wants to take everyone around him to the top. He wants trial by fire. They're all going to have to save each other to get there.
>And I never doubted him for being a main character or a hero, I just felt the story wasn't as good.
I mean, Simon's the main character.
But yeah, this wasn't to specifically respond to the idea that you think Kamina's not a hero. This was sparked by you saying that this show didn't do heroic writing well, to which I responded that I could legitimately open a thread on the subject.
OK, I guess if you read between the lines Kamina does play a role in getting everyone around him to start acting a little more heroic, but I think that's taking it a little too far. To me it just seems like the show needed a little more edge, and the writers thought to put all that in Kamina. It would be pretty boring if he wasn't CONSTANTLY doing the thing he's NOT supposed to be doing. I feel Inuyasha does it better: he does bring out the best in his team, but his mistakes tend to come at a cost.
>OK, I guess if you read between the lines Kamina does play a role in getting everyone around him to start acting a little more heroic
Congratulations, you admitted what the core character drama of the show is.
Congratulations, you only hear the part where I bent over backwards to try to appease your point. Not every other point I've been making. It doesn't change the fact that he still does stupid things, still gets everyone in mortal danger, and still requires other people to rescue him for his own stupid actions. The reason he lives for so long is not because of his wit or intelligence, nor his strength or friends, but plot armor.
You're willing to go to the ends of the Earth defending this show, and I'm just tired of it. I posted my review of it, nothing changed since then.