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Oh, good. It's broken.

Posted January 24th by nullfather

goku is a galaxy buster now isnt he?

Posted February 22nd by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

goku is a galaxy buster now isnt he?


Quite a bit more than that. In Dragon Ball Super, his fight with Beerus threatened to destroy the universe. That was something like 9 months ago and he's only been getting stronger since.

Posted February 22nd by nullfather

Power levels are bullshit. But I would imagine Super buu tearing a hole through fabric and time should have destroyed the universe no?

whats the biggest feat in gurren? bigger planet robots? (stopped watching after 10 episodes)

Posted February 22nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

But I would imagine Super buu tearing a hole through fabric and time should have destroyed the universe no?


Not really. That was a very localized power. With fiction like this, we can only really go on directly shown stuff and mechanics that are well-established in the story. It doesn't necessarily follow our idea of physics.

whats the biggest feat in gurren? bigger planet robots?


In the final fight, they use the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann form to throw around entire galaxies as weapons. The end of the second movie has a special Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann form that's even larger than that and essentially breaks the pocket universe that they're fighting in.

Posted February 22nd by nullfather

*pocket universe* interesting. cant get more over the top than that

Posted February 22nd by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

cant get more over the top than that


Well...you can, it's just that it's really hard to do it in a decent way.

I've seen some shit.

Posted February 22nd by nullfather

Power levels are bullshit.

Power levels are, in fact, not bullshit, despite DBZ Abridged's claim to it. A person with a higher power level consistently beat a weaker person, especially if the weaker person had no hacks.

But I would imagine Super buu tearing a hole through fabric and time should have destroyed the universe no?

I would say this is more "hack" universal threat through causing causing a tear in the fabric of reality. I recall a guide stating it threatened the universe, if you're that interested I am sure you could find it.

However, SSG Goku and Beerus nearly destroyed the universe through raw power instead of hacks. For whatever reason, it turns out Beerus was insanely suppressed, because Goku has gotten hundreds of times (at a minimum) stronger by the time he fights Goku Black, but is still nowhere near Beerus' true power. We know this because Beerus tells Goku he absorbed the power of SSG into his base form, on top of which Goku can still stack SS1-3,SSG and SSB, and then Kaioken onto SSB. We never got any indication of the multiplier between SS3 and SSG, but the fight with Kefla confirmed the jump from SSG to SSB is at least 50x. And then Goku's first Ultra Instict (basically Super Saiyan 6, lol) transformation shakes a 5D plane.

In the final fight, they use the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann form to throw around entire galaxies as weapons. The end of the second movie has a special Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann form that's even larger than that and essentially breaks the pocket universe that they're fighting in.

Sounds like some Saint Seiya level shiz. I have never seen Gurren Lagann so I cannot fairly estimate said power, but I do know Goku is essentially at a multiversal level of power currently.

Edited March 9th by Trever Leingod

I have never seen Gurren Lagann so I cannot fairly estimate said power, but I do know Goku is essentially at a multiversal level of power currently.


The rest of your post is pretty decent quality, but I think I must respond to this in defense of the semantic conventions of the battleboard. Keep in mind that I am mainly arguing semantics here, not denying feats.

Goku is at a universal+ level of power, not a multiversal one. The term "multiverse" in fiction generally means "all possible universes" or "infinite universes", not simply "more than one universe". In addition, the complication of a "multi-universe" level of power is that it has not been established (in any way that I am aware of) what the physical connection between Dragon Ball universes are - and thus if a linear upscaling of power output will spread across this connection as it spreads across the space of one universe. Jumping from one universe to another is no small feat in most works. As such, I would place Goku at "universal+" as compared to "multi-universal" characters that have actually shown power over multiple universes or "multiversal" characters that have shown power over all possible universes or even infinite universes.

Posted March 9th by nullfather
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