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Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Moonray
Moonray

Okay - thanks for the feedback. (no sarcasm)

I think most are aware that you and Ghowilo aren't happy about nullfather being in an administrative role on the site. But I haven't seen nullfather do anything worthy of criticism since becoming admin. Are there any instances you can point to? It seems to me that your negative experiences have been off-site.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

Everyone seems to forget this for some reason but let me be clear my most negative experiences were actually ON-SITE. In one of the old politics thread he insulted, and straight up lied about me all because he didn't like my opinion. He made it personal as well and he did it before that instance as well. I actually don't remember where but. Yes. He then provoked me AGAIN by bringing up some of the same lies he did before in my original feedback thread where this kind of all started recently.

It's more like he's still an asshole but now he's watering it down so he can maintain power. Did you see how much he could rip on Red Leaf (who by the way also took issue with Null being promoted) unprovoked?

Also off-site he made it seem as if it's okay to say something on-site to him, but then he says the exact opposite on-site and then encourages enforcement against it so he also threw me under the bus despite that almost as if for his own amusement. I don't want someone like that lording over me. As long as he thinks he can get away with it, he will continue to do things like this.

It was more tolerable when he was just a user because then he doesn't have access to potentially personal information due to the information he gets from being a mod, and the power to more effectively use the site for his own amusement. Have you noticed that JUST before he was admin he was calling things autistic, insulting Red Leaf and putting him down and still generally being an asshole? He hasn't changed, he's just become more "professional" so he can do it more effectively. Sure, he put better rules in place but he doesn't actually care. Those rules just create more chances for him to create more shitstorms and potentially get a rise out of people when he sees the chance to. Also to potentially ban people and tell them off. He doesn't care much about the site as far as I know. Only his ego and amusement. The proof for me was how he made it seem like something was okay prior and understood what I mean by it, but then turns around and does the opposite and tries to get me in trouble and just make me look like an asshole because I said it. But I needed to do it to test him.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

How long are these complaint posts going to go on? Seriously, why do they keep getting posted? I think you as well as the other people who don't like Nullfather have made your point clear that you don't like him being an admin, but seriously how many more posts are you going to make?

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Q
Q
 

I originally meant to say he pretended he doesn't know what I mean after I said on-site but I said it after off-site for some reason if anyone saw that.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

but seriously how many more posts are you going to make?


How long are you going to complain about complaining? At any rate, I just posted what Ghow said, and Vandy asked so I gave my reasons. If you don't like it why do you concern yourself?

I don't get why you continue to concern yourself with things that don't concern you, as if they do concern you. If you don't care about what I have to say about Null don't read it.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I would assume most of this happened in [World & Politics]. If so, I would not have seen any of this because I largely avoided that forum for the past few years. I do know that there were often ongoing arguments between a specific group of users that nullfather was often a part of, as well as Red Leaf, yourself, SOH, #85, maybe poptart too? That's just from memory. But I never cared to look into who was starting what because it was [World & Politics] and local mods had all the say in that time. Which is not the case any longer and that's largely because of nullfather. For better or worse is subjective I suppose, but I think for the better.

Did you see how much he could rip on Red Leaf


No. I remember Red Leaf posting recently but I can't find his post. Found this post [Update] but no ripping was on display.

In any case - nullfather does not have complete power to do whatever he wants. If he does anything egregious, other staff can oppose and reverse. No one mod has absolute power.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

@Q: it is important that users can voice concerns that they have, whether you or I agree with them or not. As long as the concerns are voiced reasonably there is no problem. That's exactly what this forum is for.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

I would assume most of this happened in [World & Politics]


You saw the part I was talking about where he made it seem as if it was okay to say something to him on-site (the kys thing) and then on-site pretended he didn't know what I actually meant by it and then encouraged enforcement against it. It was in pointless at the time.

No. I remember Red Leaf posting recently but I can't find his post. Found this post [Update] but no ripping was on display.


It was before he became admin. Like I said he was trying to appear more "professional" after becoming admin.

In any case - nullfather does not have complete power to do whatever he wants. If he does anything egregious, other staff can oppose and reverse. No one mod has absolute power.


I wasn't assuming that, but like I said. He will do what he can if he can get away with it, and he already has gotten away with several things I already mentioned in that post and probably more.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

"I don't get why you continue to concern yourself with things that don't concern you, as if they do concern you. If you don't care about what I have to say about Null don't read it. "

It's annoying to come to a video game website and see very little video game discussions. Look at this picture I took from my phone:



I stay out of alot of discussions because of the drama, but when I see this I get annoyed. I miss the days when we actually talked about video games. out of the 19 recent posts on there, only 3 pertain to video games.

"@Q: it is important that users can voice concerns that they have, whether you or I agree with them or not. As long as the concerns are voiced reasonably there is no problem. That's exactly what this forum is for. "

True, and I agree. However, at this point are we not beating a dead horse? How many times does the same complaint need to be addressed. I'm not even trying to defend nullfather but it's just a little silly that this is still being brought up.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Q
Q
 

It's annoying to come to a video game website and see very little video game discussions. Look at this picture I took from my phone


Okay... what's that have to do with this directly though?

I stay out of alot of discussions because of the drama, but when I see this I get annoyed.


Well ya it sucks. But you have to realize part of the reason for the "drama" is because the site is hardly ever amusing for me anymore either because it has problems. I guess on that we can relate as to why we do what we do but.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

You saw the part I was talking about where he made it seem as if it was okay to say something to him on-site (the kys thing) and then on-site pretended he didn't know what I actually meant by it and then encouraged enforcement against it. It was in pointless at the time.


Oh yes I did see the on-site occurrence. But I did not see that he told you it was okay to do so. To be clear - I'm not calling you a liar. But if I didn't see this conversation and nullfather doesn't admit that he did, I cannot know for sure what was said between you two or the context in which it was said. I would agree however that, if he told you it was okay off-site, and then acted otherwise on-site, that should not be happening.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

@Q: you can block forums from your site feed. Click on site feed on the top menu and then choose "filter" and you can ignore forums you don't want to see in your site feed.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

How can I fix this?

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

Apologize and then mutually agreed to out the past behind you.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

For some reason my account signed out even though it's always been signed in. Okay then.

Anyway. You apparently don't want to fix personal relations since you blocked me over... reporting a post of yours or telling the truth about what you wanted to do with #85? Idk. So I'll talk about what you can maybe do according to the site.

Anyway. I guess I can't fault you for it too much since I've done the same with some assholes, but you as a staff look down on so many people here. I've seen it in our conversations. You should be held to a higher standard when you're in power and frankly you seem to think lowly of quite a few people here from what you've told me. That may need to change because it reflects your actions as a moderator. I've seen you shit talk anyone from #85 to Brandy and I think this contempt or whatever you have does reflects some of your actions. That needs to stop for one thing. But that's just a start.

You need to be more fair. I don't know for sure what you've been doing lately but if you're going to tell people to be civil it needs to go both ways. if you're going to plot to ban someone it needs to go both ways even if it's #85. If you make an exception for #85 and if you were to ban him, what's to stop it from happening to the next person?

No more lies or insults if you can help it. No more using people for your own amusement at their expense. No more underhanded shit to achieve this. No more being an asshole regardless of your method in being as such. You can't be doing things like you did in pointless.

Actually give a shit about the site, and not just care about looking good or flexing your ability to tell people to do something or not to do something or ban them and amusing yourself with it.

And if you want a personal fix it really also comes down to don't be an asshole to me. I expected better of you for how well we got along then all of the sudden you turn around and be an ass because you didn't like what I was saying. That was extra bothersome coming from you since I was much closer to you than anyone on this site (except Just Because). And then you bring up the lies again later in feedback. Do not do that. It can be harmful and it all it does is serve to upset me and maybe make me look even worse than I already did.

Maybe more I'm forgetting. Tbh though I don't even think you can do even all of this, which is why I was calling for you to be removed from staff (even though I knew it wouldn't go anywhere). But if you can actually change then maybe you can "fix this".

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Part of the problem also appears to be that even if nullfather makes a seemingly neutral statement - you will claim that he is trying to "act" professional and presume that he is secretly has other motives. Which, that could be true I guess, but it's nothing we can prove and is unfair to nullfather. It becomes impossible for nullfather to be able to do anything for the right reasons in the eyes of some.

Knuckles, do you think it's possible for you to take nullfather at face value and not look for ways he could possibly be trying to target or harm you or another user? I think for there to be any progress, it will require more trust on your part. That, in addition to what you're asking from nullfather.

EDIT:

Also I'm fully aware that I don't know the full story here. If you want me to stay out of this conversation just let me know.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

The plotting to ban someone part shouldn't go both ways, but I think it was clear what I meant to say. It shouldn't happen unless they deserve it.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Knuckles, do you think it's possible for you to take nullfather at face value and not look for ways he could possibly be trying to target or harm you or another user


No because I know for a fact that is not the case because he straight up told me some of it, and otherwise he confirmed to me through his actions.

Also I'm fully aware that I don't know the full story here. If you want me to stay out of this conversation just let me know.


That would probably be best. Like I said, I work with what I got and what I know.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I do have the thread where he was being an asshole to me before he brought it up again, but I don't want to link it publicly and dig up that old shit again but he probably knows exactly what I'm talking about and that's what matters. I'm surprised that the thread was all the way back in August though.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

That would probably be best. Like I said, I work with what I got and what I know.


Same here! I'll dip out now. I just wanted to try and have a conversation about what's bothering you to see if we could make any progress. I don't want to appear dismissive.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

Thanks Vandy. It's appreciated.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Thank you for the post detailing your complaints. I have to leave for work now, so I won't be able to respond in-depth for a while. I'll definitely be considering what you've said, though.

I do have the thread where he was being an asshole to me before he brought it up again, but I don't want to link it publicly and dig up that old shit again but he probably knows exactly what I'm talking about and that's what matters.


The ironpill thread? Post it if you think it supports your case. I'm not afraid of whatever evidence you have being laid on the table.

If the things I said there are determined to indeed be over the line, would you prefer that they be tagged or would you prefer that the posts remain as a testament to me being an asshole? Or possibly a disclaimer should be edited in where I recant my harshness (the product of a temporary frustration, now rendered as a lasting statement)?

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

That's long over now. I only care about what you've been doing as of late according to that site. That thread, and now that I recall looking at it probably another thread like it as well as what you said more recently are part of the reasons why I have personal issues with you. I just want it to not happen anymore. I'm not asking that they be deleted. I was already struggling to forgive you for that anyway.

But yes I think that your posts there were very out of line.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Among Xhin's various priorities is that the site's moderation be one big happy family that are accountable to each other. I've seen no evidence of a plot to drive any particular user from the site, but I can assure you that it would be a fruitless endeavor anyway and for the reason outlined above. No one is going to be chased out.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by Famov
Famov

i dont want to list names but i been threaten with bans b4 too

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Brandy
Brandy

When and where lol

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

in user alerts

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Brandy
Brandy

have a screen shot to share?

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

i dont want to do that because it got the guy who sent to knuckles banned (see locked post). and i dont want to get people banned, there probably just joking.it probably was the same guy actially. and another guy is still a user here and i dont want to get them banned either

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by Brandy
Brandy

so it wasnt a mod.

Posted December 22nd, 2017 by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

there probably just joking


They're not. They're trolling or something else.

I've seen no evidence of a plot to drive any particular user from the site, but I can assure you that it would be a fruitless endeavor anyway and for the reason outlined above. No one is going to be chased out.


Okay but that isn't really relevant to much, nor does it change what I know for a fact he's done or wanted to do.

Regardless of if he can't do it, it doesn't change the fact that he wanted to.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also @Famov you have at least seen him rail against #85. Unless Null was lying about himself and his own interactions on the mod forum for no apparent reason, you definitely saw that much at least. I don't care for your seeing no evidence regardless of what went on there though, because I have the evidence from him personally.

So what did you not see him do it or what? Either way though again it doesn't matter what he did or didn't do there because again, I already have the evidence for myself.

Edited December 22nd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

i don't care what anyone says or implies in private

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by poptart!
poptart!
 

Frankly I wouldn't be too surprised if Null was also the guy fucking with both me and Brandy in the site notifications/alerts knowing his trolling history and what he's done recently. I have no proof for that though unlike everything else I've said here though nor do I think it's the case. Just saying it wouldn't surprise me much.


i don't care what anyone says or implies in private


Well I don't care if you don't care, especially if what is said in private shows maliciousness since it was used to fuck with me like he did in pointless when it was still called pointless. Making something seem okay to say when it's not. That was just when it became clear too. He's done plenty on site mostly before but some after he became admin as I already said so it's not even just that. If you were even actually paying attention.

That is how I knew he couldn't be trusted. You can do whatever you want, but it won't change the facts of the matter and won't change my reasons.

I don't expect anything to ever happen but it doesn't mean I'll shut up either.

Also why would it even matter what you don't care about?

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

@Brandy: are you referring to the message I sent you?

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by Vandy
Vandy

i am refering to 2 seperate messages/threats about being banned i have recieved here you did send one

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by Brandy
Brandy

Weid, that was sarcasm. It was mocking a deleted post calling everyone else autistic.

so why don’t we just get along people and not accuse each other of anything


Because I have very real problems with that exist in reality. I was not saying he is the one who sent the notifications to me and Brandy, I said I wouldn't be surprised. Everything else though has been proven to me so no. My accusations are perfectly grounded in reality.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Or wait. It may have just been an anti-vaxxer. Either way, it was sarcasm to make a point. Null never used it sarcastically from what I could see.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Ok from NOW ON no more flame warring from anyone. If you want to troll just be vulgar but don’t say anything offensive about anyone.

Nullfather, just for your information I happen to have Asperger’s syndrome, so please don’t joke about me having autiam because I DO have it.

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by Weid man
Weid man
 

you tell them weidmanQ!

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

This thread is getting ridiculous.

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

You’re right nullfather so someone plesee TAG IT and everyone quit calling certain users FAGGOTS

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by Weid man
Weid man
 

you tell them weidmanQ!


What exactly is he telling? I'm not entirely sure what he's saying to who or how grounded in reality it is at all. It's just rather confusing. But then it's Weid so I have no idea if I should even take any of it seriously whatsoever.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I’m saying to stop fighting between you and nullfather and everyone else involved against him. You and nullfather and everyone involved in this flame war need to quit bitching at each other. Those flame wars remind me of the days between ?hun? And mariomguy which were ludacris.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by Weid man
Weid man
 

I wouldn't call it flame wars but fat chance the fighting will stop unless Null changes some things, both mentioned and unmentioned. His actions to me were of hostility. It makes it hard to be here knowing he's in a position of authority and can get away with some things that I already mentioned.

If he could have actually reached out to me and communicate with me outside of GT about it maybe it wouldn't be like it is now. But he never did. He wouldn't have said the things he said to me on site if he had good intentions for it. He wouldn't have done the things I already mentioned if he had good intentions.

And it's extra hard to overlook and ignore this, because again I did consider him a friend and someone I used to like talking to and such outside of GT no less. For years. And for this to come out of nowhere, it's rather daunting and it makes it hard to be enjoyable to be here.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Well could have talked about it more when it mattered anyway. Every time I tried to talk about how he was being he would simply disregard it there. On site he acts if he intends to care.

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I’ll have xhin look read the things said in this forum. For now stop instigating.

Posted December 23rd, 2017 by Weid man
Weid man
 

Xhin is busy and won't do what would be needed anyway. You'd be better off minding your own business. If I become a particular problem the mods will probably handle it on their own knowing how things go.

Edited December 23rd, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
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