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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


On this commie holiday, let us take some time to remember the 100 million lives lost as a result of this evil ideology.

My grandmothers family came from eastern Europe. They fled the jewish communist red terror that took over. Want to talk about a real "holocaust" look at the events of the Holodomor on Ukraine where millions of Ukrainian Christians were starved out by these communist jews.

"In a covenant...among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one’s own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society."

In 1967, Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take a human life. He replied: "I don't know, I've only ever killed communists"

Its no secret that the most nationalist, anti communist countries are the ones that had to suffer through the communist reign of terror in their home nation. And then of course the western globalist countries are pushing the "modernism" on them (if commies are against the establishment why then are they supported?)

I can only imagine how some spoiled western trendy ignorantly touting the ideology must make them feel.

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Communism has yet to be implemented. Socialism has been implemented succesfully many times and is often quashed by either state capitalism or ironically state socialism.

Most of what you think of when you think "communism" is actually just state socialism. Actual socialism is where *the people* control the means of production, not the government. Actual governments are smaller and don't have a well-defined "ruling class", instead being composed of actual people. That ruling class idea is really the main problem with both captalism and ussr-like socialism.

Posted May 1st by Xhin
Xhin
 

Why is a rich guy ranting against an ideology that was designed to benefit the poor among other things?

Posted May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

When will we mourn the deaths caused by capitalism?




Posted May 1st by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

What tends to provoke responses like mine earlier in the thread from people who aren't communists is that some people seemingly including you seem to believe nearly everything to the left of whatever they don't like is communism, thus a lot of people end up being as assumed as communists when they're not, thus resulting in snarky comments like the one I made above. Seriously, there aren't nearly as many communists left as you think so stop using it as a scapegoat.

And then of course the western globalist countries are pushing the "modernism" on them (if commies are against the establishment why then are they supported?)


Lol.

Edited May 1st by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

cry your fascist tears, ya baby!

happy may day, everyone!

Posted May 1st by poptart!
poptart!
 










Posted May 1st by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

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Edited May 15th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Communism has yet to be implemented.

Here's how communism can still win.

Actual socialism is where *the people* control the means of production, not the government.

Actual socialism is where people huddle together around trash can fires for warmth.

The communists were entirely wrong. We know this because they believe that history exists is an unalterable track and that their political, social and economic theories had been derived scientifically. They concluded that communism would occur in specific nations at specific times. What they didn't anticipate is that the western world would see previously unimaginable prosperity throughout the 20th century. Because of this, the siren song of communist statecraft passed over Britain and America and instead hit China and the man made crater occasionally known as Russia. That these regimes manifested typical post French Revolution totalitarian characteristics is a surprise only to the devout and the historically illiterate. Traditional religions are outlawed in order to make way for the state religion. The old culture is smashed to pieces both figuratively and literally so that the Marxists can apply their "science" to social engineering schemes.



There are a few problems with this. For one, man is not a blank slate, a lump of clay, or an empty canvas that will ever entirely reflect the utopian designs of state propagandists. For another, whether or not you're inclined towards a deterministic view of the world it is still nevertheless rational to conclude that assorted ideologues from the past 150 years were and are not omniscient and fairly self evident that there was nothing remotely scientific about their methods. They were wrong before and they'll continue to be wrong for as long as they advocate in favor of these experiments in human misery.

Posted May 1st by Famov
Famov

Social security is a socialistic construct. Can I have yours?

Posted May 1st by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

If people want to live in their own little socialist collective that is lovely for them. In real life socialists have a noted tendency to try and vote away other people's property rights, weaponize the political system against the otherized "bourgeios" and implement top down and increasingly authoritarian control of integral aspects of industry and every day life, often times culminating in economic collapse and widespread suffering. It is fundamentally incompatible with a society founded on enlightenment principles like the United States. It is toxic, divisive, and prone to causing violence and instability. There is nothing bad about capitalism that socialism eliminates from society, and so there's no good reason why America at the very least has any pressing need to eradicate capitalism in order to implement socialism.


Edited May 1st by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

"In real life socialists have a noted tendency to try and vote away other people's property rights, weaponize the political system against the otherized "bourgeios" and implement top down and increasingly authoritarian control of integral aspects of industry and every day life, often times culminating in economic collapse and widespread suffering."

i don't know about the socialists you've met, but the socialists i know run a (successful) co-op restaurant. nothing like the maniacs you're describing.

Posted May 1st by poptart!
poptart!
 

Okay, I'm genuinely happy for your anecdotal socialist friends for living by their principles and prospering. But I know you know which socialists I'm talking about.

Posted May 1st by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

cool, so which socialist did you meet who advocated for those things?

Posted May 1st by poptart!
poptart!
 

What an idiotic post.

International Labor Day should be something perfectly appropriate for celebration no matter what its ties to ideology.

Workers everywhere struggled, fought and died for dignified working conditions that were directly due to the excesses of capitalism. That\'s something worth remembering. And while the Holodomor, Great Leap Forward, and other Communist genocides and failed policies are also worthy of remembrance, it's not today.

Posted May 1st by Agis
Agis
 

"Real communism has never been tried before!" Is a desperate, weak excuse that can be applied to any ideology.

Workers everywhere struggled, fought and died for dignified working conditions that were directly due to the excesses of capitalism. 

Capitalism isn't to blame. Wtf.



Posted May 4th by #85
#85

Youre right. Capitalism coupled with greed are to blame.

Im still waiting for famv to fork over his socialist social security.

Posted May 4th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

You'll be lucky if you get your own, the way things are going. But don't think for a moment that I'll voluntarily give up my free government money that impoverishes succeeding generations. That's not what I'm about at all:



This Penny Arcade strip has been my personal manifesto for the better part of a decade. Not really, but I still smile every time I read it.

Posted May 4th by Famov
Famov

that the penny arcade cartoon... "i'm going to be a shitty person to prove that the world is a shitty place" seems, erm, like a self-fulfilling prophecy for lack of a better word

Edited May 4th by poptart!
poptart!
 

and why does it not surprise me that the height of faux-intellectualism on this forum lives his life according to a Dudes Playing Videogames webcomic. you can *hear* the fedora

Posted May 6th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

You're the one that wore a fedora. Besides, I said it was a joke!

Posted May 6th by Famov
Famov

And I had the self-awareness to purge the fedora from my soul. It's been a long time.

Posted May 6th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

Someday you may even have the self awareness to recognize that wherever you position the see-saw of your political worldview this week, you remain the same person in most ways that matter. You are who you are, with or without a fedora, until the end of time. That's not a bad thing for most people, and it probably isn't for you either, but if we were to pursue the "height of faux-intellectualism" we wouldn't arrive where I am, somewhere near the center of our manufactured left-right paradigm. And I am happy to confess to having occasionally found Penny Arcade funny.

Edited May 6th by Famov
Famov

That's not really true. Assuredly our mannerisms are what they are but a political philosophy has a profound effect on who a person is. I think I became a much wiser, kinder person when I washed my hands of Rand.

Posted May 6th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
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