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Can we be honest about why Pete has no black support?
Posted: Posted February 6th by Nique204
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One thing I've gotten sick of throughout this process is media dancing around why Pete just happens to have zero black votes coming his way. So they'll vote for Bernie, Warren, obviously Biden, but Pete just happens to be at zero because...hes not trustworthy?
Bro
Homophobia is 1000% the elephant in the room nobody wants to address here. I myself am black, I live with black people and have known this community all my life. Even the group I'm with, they wont admit it, but it always seems through in conversations how much they cant stand that hes gay. It's always a subtle jab at his sexuality.
It's pretty blatantly obvious, and it's so annoying watching everyone just gloss over this.
I dont think he has any shot at the nominee, because the older black vote specifically will never go to Pete no matter what he does.
And if he somehow won the nomination because sanders and Warren cannibalized each other, I think we would see this fail on a national scale due to the religious part of this country.
I Absolutely hate how his sexuality is so obviously held against him on a bigger scale, but it’s pretty obvious.


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Are... you trying to a lot of your own race are homophobes? Sure I can believe it's something of a problem but are you sure it's not just they're tired of the same liberal bullshit and he isn't offering particularly decent healthcare or anything? Like seriously what do you think makes him stand out and what makes him particularly stand out anyway? What do you think he's bringing to the table that someone else isn't better? Like I haven't seen anything from him that stands out even from a liberal perspective, both the more progressive and liberal sides have candidates that cover it better so don't you think the bigger problem is just his policies and blacks aren't liking what they seen very much (and neither are a lot of people)?

Just seems like yet another generic democratic candidate but he's gay to be honest with you. And policy matters a lot. Don't get me wrong, it'd be cool to have a gay president but why should it take priority?

Edited February 6th by Grey Echelon
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Or it could also be that he enabled police abuse and fired the first black police chief in South Bend. Or that he is an insincere grifter who thinks he is Obama but has nowhere near enough charisma or charm.

Also the little black support he has is from older blacks. If homophobia is the issue, shouldn’t these old black people HATE him, and shouldn’t he be getting some support from more tolerant, younger black people?

Also, looks like Biden didn’t do well in the few black communities in Iowa. Looks like Bernie might end up leading among black voters. SC will be very telling.

Edited February 6th by pacman
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Pete has his flaws like every other candidate.
But you're telling me people have been paying enough attention to him and his policies that hes close to ZERO with us?
I'm not buying it.
He has his flaws, but this community is extremely homophobic whether you've known that or not.
I'm willing to believe his policies play some part.
I'm not willing to believe the gay candidate just happens to be the one doing poorly with this community because of that.

Posted February 6th by Nique204
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Black people also rejected the shit out of Kamala Harris for similar reasons. Corrupt, in good with cops and the CJS, fucked over poor people while in charge, etc.

Liz is also not doing well with black voters. Does that mean black people are all sexist too?

Only Bernie and Biden seem to be picking up substantial black support.

Edited February 6th by pacman
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Idk I've seen even a lot of lgbtq folks disliking him a lot. You could say the same about whites from personal experience too anyway, if you live in some small town with a lot of the weirdly religious sort you're also gonna come to the conclusion that whites are extremely homophobic too by the same logic and that would no longer explain why all the whites who voted for him did. If you look deep enough you could try to make this argument for any race but you'd probably be overthinking it and also overthinking it's severity. Also I think as I implied it has more to do with the fact that other candidates are offering them far better than he is.



Edited February 6th by Grey Echelon
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While we are discussing demographics, can we appreciate for a minute that a Socialist Jew is poised to win the Muslim vote by a lot? If Sanders can reach out to that demographic given the historical animosity between Jews and Muslims, I think he is capable of winning it all by bringing together people of all different backgrounds.

Posted February 6th by pacman
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Yeah minorities are racist and homophobic as shit. I think it can be a combination of all those pacman listed and a part of the black community being homophobic.

Posted February 6th by S.o.h.
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You two are just seeing some homophobes in your own experiences and generalizing it even if it's concerning your own. You can say whites are homophobic and racist as shit just as easily by the same logic. I don't see why this is even a talking point. Maybe everyone's just really homophobic. Maybe hatred and such is just extremely widespread but that still doesn't explain why he got a lot of white voters.

Yes, it no doubt is a factor but I really doubt homophobia is the main reason at all.

I think it can be a combination of all those pacman listed and a part of the black community being homophobic.

Still think I had a point in saying he brings absolutely nothing to the table that others don't. The others already had name recognition too but ya what Pacman said matters too.

Edited February 6th by Grey Echelon
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Beats ignoring it like the leftist whites who believe minorities are saints.

the bulk of Latino Countries are right wing Catholic countries who don't think fondly of homosexuals.

Posted February 6th by S.o.h.
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I don't ignore it and I don't think they do as often as you think either. But I also question if it's as widespread as you're making it out to be at least in america. No, in fact minorities who turn into useful idiots for the alt-right or essentially traitors like Candace Owens get a lot of shit. Minorities who end up being homophobes also get severe scorn from the left. Females (if you count them, I mean they are referred to as minorities sometimes) like JK Rowling who end up being terfs or trans exclusionary get a lot of shit and so on. They ain't viewed as saints at fucking all and most are aware of it. I could go on and you might even end up thinking the left is TOO hard then sometimes if you seen as much of it as I have.

In fact, I've been seeing this sort of thing mostly from asshole privileged white liberals who aren't even leftists. The #stillwithher types. I've been seeing that FAR more from them lately. These aren't leftists they're not even center-left.

At any rate, give it time those latino countries are facing a lot of problems, certainly including problems from the US. Lot of things stopping a lot of those countries from truly progressing making conditions even shittier and giving no incentive to normalize homosexuality in the midst of it.

the bulk of Latino Countries are right wing Catholic countries who don't think fondly of homosexuals.

Ya and that can be a problem and I tend to prefer protestant as an idea now even though I'm not a christian anymore but protestants have been homophobes more often from what I've noticed and catholics have started to ease up a bit. It may not matter much in those places. Not saying it necessarily changes anything though, just pointing it out.

Edited February 6th by Grey Echelon
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