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Buying/building a new PC
Posted: Posted April 21st by Cruinn-Annuin
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With WoW classic right around the corner, I want to get a fresh computer. After hours of painstaking research, I think that I've discovered something incredible.

It looks like you can buy a renewed HP EliteDesk 800 for about $175, then stick a GTX 1050 TI in it. As far as I'm aware, there's no reason why this wouldn't work. The PSU is over the required wattage. It seems like it would be a tight fit, but other users have reported that they managed to do it.

In other words, you can get a decent gaming rig for less than $400.

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Yea I think a lot of people don't really realise that if you're not worried about getting the absolute best visuals & 60fps then you really don't need to spend much at all to get something to play games on.

Posted April 21st by Moonray
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Probably no reason not to try it, especially if other users have reported it can be done. And if you ever need more out of it than it can currently provide, you can always do incremental upgrades.

My first 'gaming PC' started out as a generic dell quad-core box, and over time I migrated it into a new case and started swapping in new components. When I eventually sold it I think only the CPU was left.

Posted April 21st by Count Dooku
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I just compared the CPU/GPU stats and this planned "build" of $400 should be a slight performance INCREASE over my $800 gaming laptop. Of course, the mobo and RAM are a little spottier, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Posted April 21st by Cruinn-Annuin
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I have no experience upgrading GPUs in laptops, but I don't think that's possible. Many parts are soldered onto the motherboard, and you can't just buy a new part and solder it on, the motherboard is made for those parts in that configuration. Also, larger GPUs require more cooling: something an increased PSU will not help with.

If you want a good gaming laptop, be prepared to spend at least $1,000. You're going to want something raytracing-compatible if you plan on playing and enjoying games in the future, and at the moment that costs a premium on laptops ($1,750 for the cheapest models). You can build a "proper" gaming PC for $1,200, maybe $1,000 if you step down to a couple budget parts, but you can't get amazing anything for less than $400. Unless you choose AMD Ryzen 2200G which is a far cry from amazing, that's not even possible.

Posted April 22nd by mariomguy
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I have no experience upgrading GPUs in laptops, but I don't think that's possible. Many parts are soldered onto the motherboard, and you can't just buy a new part and solder it on, the motherboard is made for those parts in that configuration.


Yeah, I wasn't talking about upgrading my laptop.

Also, larger GPUs require more cooling: something an increased PSU will not help with.


Yeah, there was never the implication that a PSU would help with cooling. However, the 1050 Ti is a low-wattage GPU with an onboard cooling fan...never heard of anyone having problems cooling it.

If you want a good gaming laptop, be prepared to spend at least $1,000.


Yeah, I spent $800 (shipping included) to get my MSI laptop with an i5-7300HQ and GTX 1050 that I've been using to play any and all modern games that I care to with no problem.

You're going to want something raytracing-compatible if you plan on playing and enjoying games in the future, and at the moment that costs a premium on laptops ($1,750 for the cheapest models)


Yeah, in no way is that necessary and by the time that it does become necessary (if ever), the price will have gone down.

You can build a "proper" gaming PC for $1,200, maybe $1,000 if you step down to a couple budget parts, but you can't get amazing anything for less than $400


I never said this was going to be amazing. This is just an intriguing way of getting cheap gaming power. Also, I built a "proper" gaming PC for less than $1000 and it served me well through many sleepless nights playing Team Fortress 2 and watching YouTube simultaneously.

Edited April 22nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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Ordered the bits last night. Can't wait to make this hideous Frankenputer. I kinda want to get an old 1024x768 monitor to go along with the aesthetic of this shitty office brick computer.

Posted April 22nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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Oh gosh, researched the computer and it's a prebuilt desktop! EliteDesk, doh! NVM.

Yeah, in no way is that necessary and by the time that it does become necessary (if ever), the price will have gone down.

Raytracing is spreading like wildfire in the dev community. The funny thing is I've even called some people who have raytracing-compatible cards without even realizing it!

Ordered the bits last night. Can't wait to make this hideous Frankenputer. I kinda want to get an old 1024x768 monitor to go along with the aesthetic of this shitty office brick computer.

Do the drivers for 1050 ti even work on Windows 7? Also, what do you think about a GTX 1660?

Posted April 23rd by mariomguy
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Windows 7


The EliteDesk 800 comes with Win10.

GTX 1660


No idea.

Posted April 23rd by Cruinn-Annuin
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The 1660 is NVDIA's newest midrange card using the Turing architecture, but without raytracing. You get really, really good performance for lower TDP and cost.

Posted April 23rd by mariomguy
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You get really, really good performance for lower TDP and cost.


Sounds cool. I'll look into that when I want to upgrade from the 1050 Ti.

Posted April 23rd by Cruinn-Annuin
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:(

Nobody should be buying a 10-series card right now. NVIDIA just released the 1650, too: it sits between the 1050 ti and 1060 in terms of power and costs $150. Excellent budget choice.

Posted April 24th by mariomguy
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I mean, I should be buying the 1050 Ti because it does what I want it to do. The card has to have a limited wattage and a limited form in order to work with the computer that I'm putting it in. It doesn't look like the 1650 or 1660 have those qualities.

Posted April 24th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Posted April 24th by mariomguy
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Looks like the wattage is good.

The 1650 only runs marginally faster than the 1050 Ti on every benchmark I can find, so I'm not really concerned about that. The main thing is that it will not fit in my fucking tiny computer.

Posted April 24th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Whoa. How small is that thing? If the 1650 won't fit, the 1050 shouldn't be able to fit, either. Not unless you got a miniaturized version that has a smaller width than the back piece.

Posted April 25th by mariomguy
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The 1050 Ti has a low-profile version.



Posted April 25th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Whoa. Yeah, it's hard to compete with that. Most mini itx boards have PCI risers to support full-lengthed graphics cards, though. Small GPUs are personal preference.

Depends on your case, PSU, and needs.

Edited April 25th by mariomguy
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Depends on your case, PSU, and needs.


Yes, quite.

Posted April 25th by Cruinn-Annuin
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First post from the new rig. Currently installing World of Warcraft. I think I might also install the GoG service on this one for little old games as timewasters.

Fitting the card in this thing was an adventure, but we made it through and the thing works. Tomorrow, I'll benchmark it and see how well it works.

Posted May 2nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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Nice! Not sure how good a benchmark for a 1050 will be, but you should be able to game less than 1080p.

Posted May 2nd by mariomguy
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Novabench puts my CPU at 60th percentile and my GPU at 71st percentile.

Running at 1080p in modern World of Warcraft, I was getting up to 180 FPS. It didn't drop below 130 FPS for the time that I tried it out.

Will be trying it out in TF2 and other games in a bit.

Edited May 2nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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I'm not getting below 120 FPS on Team Fortress 2, Risk of Rain 2 or Counter-Strike: Source, all on High settings, 1920x1080.

Posted May 2nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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I was going to reply, I would expect any GTX 1000 series card (even the weaker ones) to be able to handle 1080p on most games. It would only be the really recent or the "really pushing the boundries of graphics" games that it might struggle.

Posted May 2nd by Moonray
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So far, the only game that I haven't been getting 120+ FPS in is Borderlands 2, thanks to their notoriously terrible optimization.

Posted May 2nd by Cruinn-Annuin
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My GTX 960 tanks to 45f 1080p on my UE4 project, but there's a lot of overhead coming from rendering the engine as well. I recently upgraded to a 1440p monitor and at full res it tanks to 30f.

I'm also very close to capping the 2 GB video memory limit, so I think it's a memory issue more than anything. A 2060 would clear that right up!

Posted May 3rd by mariomguy
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I would expect a lower end 900 series to be weaker than a lower end 1000 series so that makes sense.

Posted May 3rd by Moonray
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The GTX 960 was not low-end, it was upper-mid-range. The newer series tend to jump down a step and a half: the 1050 ti runs about as fast as a 960. The 1650 (NVIDIA's lowest-end next-step without raytracing) absolutely crushes the 960 for $150.

Looking at these numbers really proves I need to upgrade my GPU. But damn $350 for 2060 is too much right now.

Posted May 3rd by mariomguy
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The fact that null's 1050 is apparently performing significantly better than your 960 would seem to suggest you're wrong about them being equivalent. There were massive improvements between the 900 and 1000 series (that's one of the reasons a lot of people were disappointed in the 2000 series annoubcement because it wasn't offered the massive increases to regular gaming like the 1000 had).

I also don't really care what Nvidia brands their cards as, the fact that the 960 is the "2nd worst" of the 900 series means it's lower end for that series. (Inb4 you try to use the mobile versions to make a counter argument as if they somehow are relevant in a desktop discussion).

As for upgrades, I'm still mostly content on my 980. It struggles at max settings on some modern games but it was able to do 4K on others, I'm just not feeling a need to upgrade yet. Waiting for the next set of cards; either a minor upgrade to 2000 or the 3000, whichever comes first.

Posted May 4th by Moonray
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The fact that null's 1050 is apparently performing significantly better than your 960 would seem to suggest you're wrong about them being equivalent.


Benchmark sites are suggesting that they're generally equivalent, but that the 1050 Ti excels in gaming FPS while the 960 excels in other areas.

Posted May 4th by Cruinn-Annuin
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The jump in performance from 900 to 1000 is due to the increased VRAM, which the G-buffer requires to run properly. Going from 2 GB to 3 GB yields a HUGE spike in performance. The RTX cards have raytracing cores, so if your game doesn't have raytracing it won't be able to take advantage of that (get a 1660 instead). But if you are looking at raytracing, you can get incredible quality results way faster than you ever could trying to use older methods. It will make high quality results faster, not low quality.

If you're doing productivity stuff with CUDA the 2060 has the same number of CUDA cores as the 1070, which are both close to the 980, and half as much as my 960. Yeah, my graphics card is getting OLD. I'm tempted to wait for the 7nm cards, though. Achieve RTX performance without any heat, please!

Posted May 5th by mariomguy
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