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Becoming a metal elitist
Posted: Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I'm getting tired of all the casuals. I'm gonna start representing the parts of metal that are still actually extreme. It's actually really interesting to talk with all the dumb consumers whose favorite band inevitably happens to be one of the big-label radio-play rock acts that happens to run their music through a metal filter. I like making them uncomfortable and seeing how they try to hit back at me.

I feel like I've reached another level. I've been finding a lot more metal that I enjoy lately, stuff that is edging closer and closer to noise and anti-music. As a brief example that I can throw in here in order to finish the post and get to bed after my 9+ hour shift, here's the latest Full of Hell release.



I'll fill this out with a lot more actual music discussion later.

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Which casual/popular tracks are your favorite?

Posted May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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Mastodon's recent cover of Stairway to Heaven was good. I think their latest album sucked, though.

Descending, off the new to-be-released Tool album, was good.

Behemoth's The Satanist was mostly good, except for the complete douchebag guitar solos.

Devin Townsend's latest album was very well made. Can't say much more than that because there's a shitload going on in it and I've only listened to it once.

Meshuggah keeps releasing Meshuggah albums of perfectly equal quality in perpetuity, so I can't say I'm disappointed with them.

I haven't listened to The Black Dahlia Murder for years, but Nocturnal is one of my most-played death metal albums of all time.

Gojira's From Mars to Sirius is good. I think their latest album sucked.

Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Descending, off the new to-be-released Tool album, was good.


Of the two songs played, I like both but I've really been hooked on Invincible.

Posted May 26th by Vandy
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Haven't listened to that one yet.

Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I posted it yesterday on the Tool post on this page but here's a good video of it. Sorry I don't think you want this to become a post about a pretty "mainstream" band.

Posted May 26th by Vandy
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The radio doesn't even play stuff like Disturbed usually. Surely that should be considered classic rock by now right? I feel old enough that stuff I liked when I was 12 is classic rock.

Edited May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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Good track, though I don't think I like it as much as "Descending".

Sorry I don't think you want this to become a post about a pretty "mainstream" band.


This thread was always going to be a relatively meandering discussion. I brought up Tool first, either way.

Tool is actually pretty relevant to the kind of thing that I'm thinking about. I like Tool. I think that they are one of the more innovative popular bands and I think that they deserve the success that they have. But...they have an army of tools for a fanbase. I can only imagine what the YouTube comment circus is going to look like when the new album comes out. Before the legendary wait and buildup of hype for this new album, their fanboys were already one of the most unintelligent sections of the internet.

Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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The radio doesn't even play stuff like Disturbed usually. Surely that should be considered classic rock by now right? I feel old enough that stuff I liked when I was 12 is classic rock.


Disturbed is nu-metal, not classic rock. The fact that they were both formed more than 25 years ago doesn't change their scene or style. You don't just start playing Disturbed and Zep on the same station because "eh, they're both old". They're completely different aspects of rock.

The phenomenon that I noticed is that stations that were playing new shit 15 years ago are still mostly just playing that same shit.

Thank you for bringing up Disturbed, though, because that's exactly the kind of mild, corporate radio metal that I'm thinking about. And yes, they do get radio play very regularly still. Hell, they're STILL selling themes to WWE. They're the epitome of pseudo-tough douchebag casual metal.

Edited May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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My opinion differs from yours. In 25 years when nobody remembers the rolling stones aside from their recording (similar to how it is now the the beatles) the stuff that THEY grew up with will be on the classic rock stations.

Because Rock is a man's birthright at work.

I think Classic Rock as a title of music needs to adapt and change to include whatever rock the current generation grew up with as kids.

Edited May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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This is why I let people enjoy what they want and go on on with my life

Posted May 26th by S.o.h
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Agreed. I mean I asked Null what his favorite popular/casual metal tracks are and his answers were still reasonably obscure. I was looking for answers like Metallica's Seek and Destroy or something like that.

Surely if you're a metal fan you probably at least kinda low key like one Metallica song. No matter how elite you are.

Edited May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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Dropping the semantic agument. Here's some more stuff I've been listening to lately.





These two are in a spoiler due to the NSFW cover art.





This last one isn't metal, but it's the same intent and it triggers normies.



Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I mean I asked Null what his favorite popular/casual metal tracks are and his answers were still reasonably obscure. I was looking for answers like Metallica's Seek and Destroy or something like that.


Your idea of what is obscure is extremely miscalibrated.

All the artists that I mentioned in my casual/pop stuff are artists that have been around for more than ten years, are signed with major labels, get massive promotion, get millions of views on YouTube videos of their music and are award winners. If you Google "popular metal bands", you literally see these guys.

Jesus Christ, Tool is the exemplary Babby's First Prog Metal band. They have several singles that get radio play. The Pot, 46&2, Stinkfist, H., Schism, Pushit, Sober, AEnima, Prison Sex, Jambi, etc.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

Edited May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Well now you know what I was actually asking. You mention in OP songs that play on the radio a lot. Metallica is overplayed. I wanted to know what you like from bands who are overplayed. It was my devils advocate question.

big-label radio-play rock acts that happens to run their music through a metal filter.

What would you have the radio stations do differently?

Edited May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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I killed Mufasa
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OK. If you're asking what my favorite pop metal tracks of all time are, shit that literally anyone on the street would probably know:

Motorhead - Ace of Spades
Rush - Working Man
Led Zeppelin - Whole Lotta Love
Black Sabbath - Sweet Leaf

Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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You really don't know what you're talking about.

That was kinda my point when I asked for popular stuff and what you gave me I didn't know any of it. XD

Edited May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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I killed Mufasa
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It's be like if I asked you what your favorite main stream Dragonball Z character is, and you said Pikkon, trying to be cheeky and avoid any real main stream answer.

I still don't believe you if you say there are zero Metallica songs you like.

Posted May 26th by I killed Mufasa
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It's be like if I asked you what your favorite main stream Dragonball Z character is, and you said Pikkon, trying to be cheeky and avoid any real main stream answer.


Except it's actually like if you asked me what my favorite DB main character is and I said Tienshinhan or another main character that's slightly less popular than fucking Goku or Vegeta. Because all of those bands are extremely popular. Just because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about doesn't mean I was picking obscure bands.

I still don't believe you if you say there are zero Metallica songs you like.


I don't have any Metallica songs in my library. They are not interesting to me. If I want to listen to something like that, I listen to Power Trip or Iron Reagan or The Crown or Kreator or fucking Motorhead.

Posted May 26th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Metallica is a piss stain in a 40 year old losers couch.

Posted May 26th by The Zack Snyder Experience
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Pikkons theme is the best dbz song

Posted May 26th by Brandy
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I think Classic Rock as a title of music needs to adapt and change to include whatever rock the current generation grew up with as kids.


by definition, a rock canon isn't really engineered to grow or change. it just documents the best bits of a bygone era, and those especially prone to gatekeeping (read: boomers who LOVE to talk about the good ol days) have less and less inclination to update the lexicon with any new boundary pushing music.

i agree, it SHOULD adapt - but there are so many barricades in place. creedence clearwater revival were boundary pushing kids once upon a time, and i'm sure people felt disdain for them not unlike how people feel today about modern pop music. there's always inertia, always resistance. i hope it changes.

Posted May 27th by El Chocco
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on another note, this is the heavy stuff I like:

Converge:



Melvins:



Zeahorse:



Electric Wizard:



this isn't really metal but it is insane:



Edited May 27th by El Chocco
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Converge is a lot more legit that a lot of metal fuckheads want to admit. A lot of people assume that anything tagged with "metalcore" means mid 2000's melodic pop metalcore. Jane Doe is, in short, one of the blackest albums I've ever heard.

Melvins are also legit, but I don't know a lot about them.

Electric Wizard is dank as fuck. I somewhat regularly listen to Come My Fanatics...

Swans is fucking great. I can't listen to that video because it's blocked in my country, but Public Castration is a Good Idea is one of my favorite albums. The A Long Slow Screw live performance is fucking mesmerizing.

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Posted May 27th by I killed Mufasa
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I like metal that takes me for a ride on flaming guitars and drums throughout the whole thing.

Edited May 27th by I killed Mufasa
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What does that mean?

Posted May 27th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Either way, I have never been crazy about melodic death metal. I did recently pick up on Be'lakor and Insomnium, though, which are decent.

Posted May 27th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I guess it means that I want it to pick up and never stop until the song is over. Just feel like a roller coaster the whole time rather than fading in and out. More emphasis on the instrumentals doing this than any lyrics. I like power metal. The lyrics in dragonforce are super cringe but the instrumentals, IMO, are godly. Songs like Revolution Deathsquad are the gift that just keep on giving for me. They never let up on doing something new and just keep it energetic the whole time.

Edited May 27th by I killed Mufasa
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I guess it means that I want it to pick up and never stop until the song is over. Just feel like a roller coaster the whole time rather than fading in and out.


If I listen to melodeath, I lean towards the proggier side like Opeth or Ne Obliviscaris or Persefone or what have you. The style in and of itself doesn't do the heavy lifting for me, so I find myself attracted to the more interesting compositions with a lot of dynamic changes.

When I want something to just keep blasting my face off, I listen to oldschool death metal or caverncore or what have you.

Posted May 27th by Cruinn-Annuin
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New to them, so thank you, but yeah this is definitely the kind of stuff I enjoy. At least from the first minute or so, I haven't heard the whole thing yet.

I just want the instrumentals to tell an epic story.

Edited May 27th by I killed Mufasa
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Swans is fucking great. I can't listen to that video because it's blocked in my country, but Public Castration is a Good Idea is one of my favorite albums. The A Long Slow Screw live performance is fucking mesmerizing.


No kidding. What country are you living in?



Posted May 27th by El Chocco
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New to them, so thank you, but yeah this is definitely the kind of stuff I enjoy


Then be sure to check out Opeth and Persefone as well. I recommend Blackwater Park and Spiritual Migration, respectively.

Ne Ob also have a side project called Vipassi, so check that out if you want shorter instrumental jams.

I just want the instrumentals to tell an epic story.


Haken - Vector, Affinity
Dodheimsgard - A Umbra Omega
Insomnium - Winter's Gate
Inter Arma - Paradise Gallows
Mastodon - Crack the Skye

No kidding. What country are you living in?


America. I just found another upload and listened to that. Nice and creepy, but I think I prefer their earlier stuff.

Posted May 28th by Cruinn-Annuin
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King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard just dropped a new single and it's fucking amazing.



I knew they had some heavier rock tracks, but I did not expect them to come out with a completely legitimate old-school thrash track. Holy SHIT.

Posted May 29th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Another couple of death metal albums that aren't for normies.

Edited May 29th by Cruinn-Annuin
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The first 2 minutes of the second one reminds me of a race car driving.

Posted May 29th by I killed Mufasa
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Thanks.

Posted May 29th by Cruinn-Annuin
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This one is just really fucking good death metal:



Posted May 29th by Cruinn-Annuin
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New Car Bomb single.



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Posted June 11th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I hope that, one day, I can have the level of skill that this guy has.



Posted June 11th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I found another video where he mentions his tryout for Archspire. He said that the band asked him if he could do fast vocals. He asked what exactly they meant, and they sent him a Tech N9ne record.

Here he is covering part of a Tech N9ne track (while drunk).



Posted June 12th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Sometimes, I really wonder how many other people actually understand this emotion.



Posted July 8th by Cruinn-Annuin
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Inter Arma is, without a doubt, one of my favorite newer bands. Everything they've put out is pristine. They are huge and their music so accurately describes the atavistic urge that I find it hard to believe that weak men aren't already calling them racists.



Posted July 10th by Cruinn-Annuin
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One of the most underrated death metal bands currently making music. Essentially an avant-garde supergroup that no-one talks about. Pure chaos, sounds like hell.

Posted July 13th by Cruinn-Annuin
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I saw Tool in concert a couple months back. Their my personal favorite heavy band, but like, not in the pretentious hipster sort of way? The lyrics mean a lot to me on a personal level and their music videos are nothing short of stunning works of art. My favorite track is probably "Parabola".

I apologize if Alestorm has been mentioned in this thread thus far, but here's "Drink" by Alestorm. Is that casual? Not really sure, but I love me some pirate metal.




Posted July 14th by Laxan
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Their my personal favorite heavy band, but like, not in the pretentious hipster sort of way?


Tool is, as far as I know, the band with the largest divide between how pretentious and condescending they actually are (i.e. almost none) and how pretentious and condescending their haters think they are. This is almost entirely because of their dumbass fangoys (and a little bit because Maynard isn't a people-pleaser).

Someone mentioned to me about how "pretentious" Tool acts "just because they learned how to play polyrhythms". I told them that I've literally never seen a single example of the band acting condescending about their music. The guy had nothing to come up with.

Posted July 15th by Cruinn-Annuin
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This track is so fucking good. I've been listening to it on repeat occasionally.



Maintains brutality all the way through while being inventive and interesting. Top shelf.

Posted August 6th by Cruinn-Annuin
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