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Here it is, ladies and gents; the one we've all been waiting for! Might as well be the one to kick this topic off, since I saw it yesterday. Spoilers will be hidden, but I'll keep it vague anyway.

So, first off, I had a fucking blast! We saw it in Gold Class, which meant reclining leather chairs, food service, beer, and a smaller yet excellent crowd of enthusiastic fans. It was truly one hell of a cinematic experience, and a fairly satisfying conclusion to this juggernaut series. There were moments of unadulterated excitement that'd hit me like a jolt of electricity, and times I'd be sitting there in awe and pure joy as if I were a little kid again. In one particularly special scene, I actually fucking fist pumped. The entire 3 hours (pretty well-paced, I might add) was filled to the brim with emotional beats tugging at the heart strings; my girlfriend teared up quite a bit, but it wasn't until the very last scene that I finally broke. A few years ago, I'd never even imagined I'd have these kind of reactions to a Marvel movie, yet here we are.

Endgame was also a bit of a "Frankenstein's monster", however. All three acts felt tonally seperate from one another (which, I suppose, you could also view as one of its strengths). The second act, whilst mostly fun, really felt like it was struggling to keep all its plot threads together. The big master plan is both disappointing as an idea, yet mostly effective in execution (while possibly leaving behind a few plot holes to content with). There's also the issue of balancing screen-time fairly between such a stacked cast of iconic characters, and it does feel like one or two didn't quite get the treatment they deserved. Thanos' arc felt like it had regressed a little, too.

But, despite all the things that bothered me, I still loved it. I walked out of the theatre with a big smile on my face, wanting to watch it all over again. I'm actually kind of torn on which one I prefer between Infinity War and Endgame. I definitely think Infinity War was a lot more cohesive, but Endgame absolutely nailed its big (and small) moments.

Now, for spoilers! Just gonna sound off on what I liked:



...And what I didn't like:



It was fan service galore, but honestly, what else would you expect in the culmination of 11 years worth of world-building from such beloved source material? For me, the important thing was that it ultimately all felt rewarding, as opposed to pandering. If they cut off the MCU right now, I'd be more than happy. I just don't know how they're going to top this group of heroes, and the slow yet fulfilling build-up of small-scale conflict to universe-ending threat.

One last note: there's no mid-credits or end-credits scene, which I was entirely grateful for.

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While I admit that after Infinity War, I came to realize I feel similarly about the movies as I do the comics: in that I love the solo stuff, but kind of can't stand the crossover events.

But I can't imagine disliking a Marvel film more than Infinity War, and I'd still go out to see it....except I don't know when I'll ever have over three hours to spare. It was hard enough sneaking the 2 hours 40 minutes of Infinity War into my week when that came out.

Will try to not rain on people's parades too much whenever I do get to see it. I'm certain it will get spoiled by the time I do, but I also kinda don't care about Marvel spoilers at this point. And I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to do things I genuinely dislike, as they did in Infinity War. But yeah, I'll avoid starting any arguments because I don't really want to be the buzzkill, even if it doesn't seem it sometimes.

Posted April 25th by Jet Presto

Ive heard great things. I wont be able to see it for a while :(

I am going to rewatch my favorite MCU films before watching it. (IM3, WInter Soldier, Infinity War)

Posted April 25th by S.O.H.
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I thought I was going to have to wait a little while to watch it, but as it happens I'm actually going to be able to see it tomorrow. My MCU rewatch concluded a little while ago, and I'm so very excited to see how they land this plane. I've heard good things about how it's not just all action, all the time, and that they make sure to give these characters their due, which is really what I was hoping for after being disappointed in Infinity War in that regard.

While I admit that after Infinity War, I came to realize I feel similarly about the movies as I do the comics: in that I love the solo stuff, but kind of can't stand the crossover events.


Even the original Avengers? Or Civil War? Cause for me, Age of Ultron is a bottom-tier MCU movie, and while I don't hate Infinity War nearly as much as you do, it's definitely in my bottom half. But Avengers and Civil War are easily top-tier movies in my book.

Posted April 25th by white lancer

I'm definitely going to see it sometime this weekend. Worth the money imo.

Posted April 25th by Xhin
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I think that's it. Not sure how I would rank it compared to other MCU films, may need to rewatch it to get a better grasp on how it compares. I would say better than Guardians 1, worse than Infinity War right now.

Edited April 26th by The Bandit

Just got back from seeing it. Had a great time, always love when the whole theater goes crazy over something.



I think Infinity War is still the top dog as far as Avengers movies go, but I'd probably put this one pretty close behind it. Definitely would like to see it again in theaters.

I'm mostly still just in disbelief that Marvel managed to pull this whole thing off.

Posted April 26th by Count Dooku

Bandit:



Dooku:



Edited April 26th by Orion Nebula

Saw it today. Felt like I aged 20 years.





Posted April 26th by Cruinn-Annuin

Even the original Avengers? Or Civil War?


Original Avengers, probably not. I appreciated that that was basically just a solo team-up story. It was a *lot* more focused than the other Avengers films, and even Civil War. As for Civil War, yes. The action is great, and I love the way the characters bounce off each other, but both Russo brothers Cap films are pretty messy from a narrative or thematic stance. Civil War - to me - doesn't spend nearly enough time on the story it starts to tell in the first half, nor enough time on the totally different story it wants to tell in the second half (this is also my problem with Winter Soldier - it's two separate movies with separate stories that sort of get crammed together - and while crammed together comparatively well, neither story really gets enough interesting examination.)

There's a *chance* I'll see Avengers 4: Infinity War 2: Endgame on Sunday, but I also kinda don't want to see it opening weekend. (Kind of bummed that my theaters have had to pull shows of other movies I wanted to see, also, to make room for 40 shows of this 3 hour movie. So sort of on principle I kinda don't want to support it in its opening week, I guess. But that's just me.)

Posted April 26th by Jet Presto

Reading this post without clicking the spoiler tags has somehow made me even more hyped than I already was.

Posted April 26th by Xhin
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I started unfriending people who posted spoilers on FB.

Realistically speaking I was going to unfriend them already just never got the time to.

Posted April 26th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Just got back from seeing it. That's gonna take some processing on my end, for sure. It didn't hit me as hard or leave as enormous of an impression on me as Infinity War, but we'll see how it holds up (I loved IW on the first viewing but it really didn't hold up to much scrutiny or repeated viewings for me). I'll circle back around to this thread when I get a chance to read through everyone's comments as opposed to just skimming, but a few minor observations off the bat:



Posted April 26th by white lancer

I just saw Endgame and while it is my new favorite MCU film, the issues you guys all listed were my issues as well, except for

Posted April 26th by -Riku-
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Comments on comments (as usual, I write too much):



Whew. More random thoughts:



I rarely rewatch movies in theaters, but I do kinda want to see this one again soon. If it weren't 3 hours, I maybe already would have. It was just so big that I feel like there's plenty I didn't fully absorb.

Edited April 27th by white lancer

I'm headed to the movie in about 20 minutes.

Posted April 27th by I killed Mufasa
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Original Avengers, probably not. I appreciated that that was basically just a solo team-up story. It was a *lot* more focused than the other Avengers films, and even Civil War. As for Civil War, yes. The action is great, and I love the way the characters bounce off each other, but both Russo brothers Cap films are pretty messy from a narrative or thematic stance. Civil War - to me - doesn't spend nearly enough time on the story it starts to tell in the first half, nor enough time on the totally different story it wants to tell in the second half (this is also my problem with Winter Soldier - it's two separate movies with separate stories that sort of get crammed together - and while crammed together comparatively well, neither story really gets enough interesting examination.)


Huh, interesting. I can kinda see that perspective on Civil War, not so much Winter Soldier. Perhaps we'll discuss it when you get to it in your retrospective. As far as crossover films in general go, I don't mind an enormous one like IW/Endgame every once in a while--I have to change the way I approach the films and accept that I'm not going to get the same things out of them, but they can be a lot of fun. Wouldn't want to do it all the time, though. If we continue to see crossovers going forward, I'd prefer them to be at the Civil War scale or smaller--I felt like that film had enough time to give most characters solid beats as well as strong arcs for the leads, while still being a satisfying superhero movie. But I'd legitimately love to see more crossovers like Winter Soldier or Ragnarok where it's taking just a couple of heroes and seeing how they interact and problem-solve together.

Posted April 27th by white lancer

I really liked it and on some levels it's a much better movie than Infinity War. Where Infinity War was more focused on just being this big epic all the heroes vs the super powered bad guy movie this one went for a more character focused approach (though lost its way at times). I can't say which I liked better because my viewing of this was a rather terrible cinema experience, a kid sat next to me who just did not want to be there, a few people insisting on talking at times and a bunch of people around the place getting phones out at times. Don't think I've ever been to a cinema and had it be this bad before. I'm unlikely to watch it again in cinema if only because I don't enjoy the notion of being stuck in one place for 3 hours again so my judgement on how good it is vs other movies will have to wait until it's out on blu-ray or whatever streaming service it ends up on.



@white lancer



Posted April 27th by Moonray
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@Moonray: Yikes, sorry about that viewing experience. You definitely don't want that for a three-hour movie! I had one guy a few rows behind me who occasionally called out guesses (usually wrong ones). But it was made up for by the kid in front of me wearing a Spider-Man shirt, who adorably freaked out at various points during the film.



Posted April 27th by white lancer

Actually I just realised while eating tea (dinner for those more civilised amongst us) that I was wrong about something :P



Posted April 27th by Moonray
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Yea it sucked but thats always the risk of going to a cinema on the opening weekend of things. I often try to go after work (as I start and finish work earlier than the average person so typically I can get quieter viewings that way) but there just wasn't the opportunity for this and I didn't want to put if off for a week given I work in a high school and this is literally all the kids will be talking about I would've had half of it spoiler'd.

I loved the movie though in spite of the experience and as I said I think after I do a second viewing I may prefer it over Infinity War just because of the character moments we got in this one.




Edited April 27th by Moonray
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I saw it in an Alamo Drafthouse where they throw people out if someone complains. There were a few pops from the audience, but mostly it was fine. The worst thing was just that people were giddy and would giggle at really inappropriate times, instead of processing their emotions quietly and appropriately (like me).

I shed a single manly tear at "the scene".

Edited April 27th by Cruinn-Annuin

Something else I forgot to mention.



Posted April 27th by Moonray
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I got spoiled last night on reddit, and unfortunately the spoilers were accurate, but it was still a great movie.

Posted April 27th by I killed Mufasa
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Posted April 27th by I killed Mufasa
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What got spoiled for you?

Posted April 27th by Moonray
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All the character deaths, how they died, and the fate of all the important characters who had an interesting fate at the end of the movie.

Edited April 27th by I killed Mufasa
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Well that sucks. Luckily the few subreddits I go on have banned spoilers for Game of Thrones and Avengers and I just avoided any sites that I thought might risk spoilers.

Posted April 27th by Moonray
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Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets. I remember getting spoiled for a twist in the last season of Game of Thrones by someone posting a gif on Twitter...before the episode had even aired. That's one of the reasons I ultimately decided to see Endgame so early.



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Posted April 28th by Moonray
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I researched infinity war last night. Thanks to moonrayd comment about working for a high school (I work for a university and a bunch of high schools) I am now sitting in our smaller theater accross town for a 4pm showing (the main theater was packed so I opted for the smaller screen. Oddly enough I am sitting in the same theater seat where I watched The Dark Knight a decade ago)

I am pumped to say the least. I will be rewatching it in IMAX next week.

Posted April 28th by S.o.h.
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I'm not sure how to post spoiler tags

But I liked what I saw. Not as great as infinity war but a fun film. There are a couple of things I want to add but I'm going to.watch some spoiler reviews first to see if any one mentions them.

My experience overall wasnt bad. there was a couple of kids behind me who kept commenting one what was going on but I get it 7-12 year olds are kids who are probrably a little bit more excited to see this movie than I am.

When I bought my tickets the family of 3 infront of me decided to watch the 3D showing of the film since it started in 15 minutes... 48 dollars for three tickets.

christ almighty.

Edited April 28th by S.o.h.
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Ok. I managed to sneak it in this morning somehow. Haven't read responses to this yet, but I will. Just want to get some thoughts out while I have them.



That's pretty much what I can think of off the top of my head.

Overall, I have to admit that I found it a lot better and more satisfying than I ever thought possible. Still have some problems with it, but yeah. I didn't *love* it, though I loved certain moments. But I didn't hate it either. For as much as I have shat on Infinity War, I don't imagine talking anywhere near as much shit about this one.

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Posted April 29th by The Bandit

seriousky my tags aren't working

Edited April 30th by S.o h.
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Test every thing has to be in all caps



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Posted April 30th by white lancer

I'm sorry if any one caught what I said without the spoiler tags. Hopefully no one did.



Edited April 30th by S.o.h.
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Posted April 30th by S.o.h.
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Edited April 30th by I killed Mufasa
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Posted April 30th by I killed Mufasa
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Also, was...was that Marc Maron as Stan Lee? Or...did I totally see the cameo wrong?


Posted April 30th by Jet Presto

Also, was...was that Marc Maron as Stan Lee? Or...did I totally see the cameo wrong?


Apparently it was Stan Lee himself just makeup/costume & digitally altered to look younger and they've confirmed it was the last one he had recorded.

Posted April 30th by Moonray
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Oh wow. I reeeeeally thought it was Marc Maron when it happened. I wondered if they were gonna do that thing that KFC does, where they just hire someone new to be the Colonel.

Posted April 30th by Jet Presto

Kinda still thinking about how much could have been gained from having the vanished characters get more time, but the one I think about the most is:



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Posted April 30th by S.O.H.
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@Jet:



Posted April 30th by white lancer

How is Fat Thor not trending?

Posted April 30th by Q
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I kinda feel weird about the idea that they'll fix certain plot threads through their Disney+ shows.

Like, it's not really a response to film or even television criticism. It's them retroactively fixing things rather than doing genuine story-building in the first place. And like, sure, we might get to see more about the plot threads that they didn't put into the movie, but that doesn't retroactively make those movies good.



I guess I sort of just worry about what this format might do to cinema. I don't mean to sound like an old fart, but I'm not sure I want a situation where we can expect less-than-complete films, then get DLC that more complete the story years later (at another price). It makes sense in stories that are designed to be a trilogy, like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. But that isn't what we're seeing with superhero movies.

I dunno. Just the idea that they will use a subscription service to fill in the gaps they left in the films feels awfully much like video game developers intentionally cutting out key plot points to sell as DLC. And, I worry that this is an easy "get out of jail free" card for filmmakers making mediocre films. Not saying that's what is happening here per se, but it feels a bit weird to sell us a movie, where they leave a bunch of details out, then sell us those details later on a different platform for a different fee. And given that some responses to criticism of these films already has been, "Well, we'll see what they do with the Disney+ shows," it's sort of another reason for people to just completely dismiss genuine film criticism.

Posted May 1st by Jet Presto

I think that's a fair worry. Disney's basically printing money by adding more MCU content on their paid-for subscription (not that they weren't by actually making their normal movies, but I imagine this will be cheaper and easier to arrange as far as contracts and everything go), and I'm sure they'd make a ton even if these shows weren't anything special. The scenario you outlined is probably the worst-case, in which they use this platform solely to avoid having to develop certain characters during the films and make a lot of money in the process. My hope is more that they've realized that they've introduced so many characters that they won't be able to make films that give all of them the development fans might want, and these shows are their way of showcasing likable heroes who are unlikely to get their own film (and pretty much all of the ones they've announced fit that bill). I wasn't meaning to imply that the shows will in any way cover up for the shortcomings of any particular film(s), but if they're done well they'll be a welcome way to shine the spotlight on some of these "lesser" heroes. Like, we have something like six or seven all-but-confirmed films on the horizon which will cover at least three years, and a number of these characters won't really fit in any of those and would likely be lost in continuity.



Posted May 1st by white lancer

No one wants to pay for so many streaming services. This is why Piracy is a thing. If everything was on netflix I wouldn't care enough to Pirate.

Posted May 1st by I killed Mufasa
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Oh, I totally agree that there are way too many characters at this point to have their own films. Given that at most, we get three films a year, Disney+ is a great way to flesh out secondary characters.

It's easier to have a show that references the movies than vice versa, though. More people watch the movies than watch the shows, and if it's on Disney+, there is a paywall there. I think one of the best things the cinematic universe has done has been to largely ignore the television shows. The shows can reference the movies because they are these singular pop culture tentpoles each year. Everyone goes to see the movies now. There is a one-time fee to see them, and you mostly get a completed story. And, it's a one-time show. (I've heard some people compare Marvel movies more to sporting events than films, which isn't really accurate but I get the idea. Like the Super Bowl is the most watched sporting event in America. Almost everybody tunes in. But nowhere near as many people watch the games on a weekly basis. It's more of an investment.)

So I like the idea of shows exploring Falcon or Bucky. I don't like the idea of hinting at and paying off major character arcs or threads in the films that only get truly explored in the films.

Posted May 1st by Jet Presto

Yeah, as someone who has watched almost all of the MCU TV shows and liked or loved most of them, I've often wished it was feasible to have more integration between the shows and films, but it's really not. This isn't the comics, and between shooting schedules and contracts and the threat of lockout (i.e. confusion from people who haven't seen the shows), they really can't follow through on the whole "everything is connected" thing. Which on some levels is freeing for the TV shows as well--as the first MCU show, Agents of SHIELD tried the hardest to integrate with the movies, but it got a lot better once it started doing its own thing and left its references to background easter eggs. I wouldn't mind seeing a cameo or easter egg from the shows from time to time, but at this point I understand why they have to be separate. Feige has indicated that these Disney+ shows will be more connected than these previous ones, but we'll see--I have to hope they'll know better than to make subscribing to Disney+ effectively mandatory to enjoy the movies, even though I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to stop myself from subscribing to it anyway.

I'm sure there are ways they could make these relevant to the films but not necessary. A couple of ideas from recent films:



Posted May 2nd by white lancer

That still sort of fundamentally requires filmmaking that deliberately delivers incomplete stories. (I kind of go back and forth on how I feel about serialized storytelling in cinema. I've sort of loved a lot of these Marvel movies, but I also sort of hate how half of them don't feel like completed films.)

Something I *was* thinking about though:



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Edited May 3rd by Moonray
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I’m seeing Endgame in a few hours for the first time. It’s a morning showing at 10a so I’ll be home around 3ish. ;_; I hope it’s better than the last one. I’m not a marvel or DC fan, but I just want to see how it’ll end. I’m a fan of Guardians of the Galaxy though.

Posted May 4th by Castrael

I feel like the more I think about this movie, the less sense a lot of it actually makes. And not just from a time travel perspective (although there are certainly plenty of paradoxes left hanging).

In particular, I keep thinking about Vormir:



It's a bit strange that they both over-explain the rules, but then also clearly don't want you to think about anything.

Just, the more I think about that, the more I really don't like that thread. (But I will probably be back later to rave about what I love about the Nebula arc.)

Posted May 4th by Jet Presto

@Jet



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Posted May 4th by Moonray
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See, I don't think I'm "deifying love" by discussing concepts of healthy love and wanting unhealthy, toxic, and dangerous concepts of love to be presented in way that isn't being legitimized, accepted, or excused.

I totally agree that abusers don't think of themselves as abusers. And yes, of course most abusers think that what they are doing to their partners is coming from a place of love. The *problem* is not that *Thanos* views his feelings towards Gamora as love. That part makes sense. The problem I have is that *the film* presents his feelings towards Gamora as love. *The film* says that abuse is legitimate form of love. We know this because the *film* gives him the soul stone after he throws Gamora off the cliff. That is the *film* viewing his feelings as genuine love. And I think that is a bad and problematic concept to promote.

I am not "deifying love" by suggesting that we depict healthy concepts of love and show the toxic, dangerous, harmful behaviors that people think is love as being something else. I do, with every fiber in my being, reject the notion that one can truly "love" someone if they also go out of their way to abuse them. We can say that that person *thinks* that they love their victim, but we should be promoting the idea that that is not what love is, especially in extremely popular movies and cultural tentpoles.

Thanos literally killed the person he loved in the film, and it is not hard to see that that is true of most women killed in homicide cases. The majority are murdered by abusive partners. And I think a part of why that happens is that we as a society continue to normalize abusive behaviors. From the possessiveness to the control to the entitlement of the "man of the house" concept, all of this fosters a culture where abuse is normalized or accepted. And by promoting the idea that abusers think they are acting out of love rather than calling their behavior out as the antithesis of love, we are normalizing it. At a minimum, I don't think it's wrong to want a superhero movie to actively promote a concept of healthy love rather than reward abuse. I don't think it's wrong to want healthy attitudes of love to be promoted and rewarded in a film that many young people, abusers, and victims will watch, and see the toxic attitudes of abuse be rejected or presented as problematic.

But even if you didn't feel sympathetic, it's really hard to argue that the film isn't trying to make you feel sympathetic to Thanos. In that scene, you get the sad swelling orchestral music, the slow motion, the pained look on Thanos's face on a shot that lingers. By default, choosing to make Thanos the protagonist of the film is fundamentally an effort to get viewers to sympathize with him. The lack of particularly strong push back to his idiotic plan indicates that the filmmakers want Thanos to seem understood, which requires sympathy. Almost every decision the filmmakers made is exactly the film trying to get you to sympathize with him. (And they even say as much in one of the blu-ray featurettes.) The fact that people say, "He would be the hero in any other story" shows exactly how much the film was trying to get people to sympathize with him. Saying, "Well he was trying to help people, but his methods were the problem" as if the methods or behaviors aren't what defines us is a result of the film's desire for people to sympathize with him.



That rant aside: you are right about Skull's words. I remembered that incorrectly. Someone has to die, and it has to be someone you love. So that clears up the Endgame thing.




Posted May 5th by Jet Presto

*The film* says that abuse is legitimate form of love. We know this because the *film* gives him the soul stone after he throws Gamora off the cliff. That is the *film* viewing his feelings as genuine love. And I think that is a bad and problematic concept to promote.

You're deifying love because you expect the film to say, "this isn't *real* love, Thanos abused Gamora!" when the whole point of the sacrifice is to simply give up something you want. It's not anything more. See the last line of my post.

You're essentially the kid in elementary school saying, "if you love chocolate so much, why don't you marry it???" That's not the point. From Thanos' perspective, he loves Gamora, so the Soul Stone wants him to sacrifice Gamora. It doesn't matter whether the relationship is a healthy one or not, because Thanos *thinks* he loves Gamora, so the Stone gets what it wants.

Again, this is all part of that trope where the hero has to stand against the world and sacrifice everything to save it. It's an inversion of the trope because Thanos is evil.

I am not "deifying love" by suggesting that we depict healthy concepts of love and show the toxic, dangerous, harmful behaviors that people think is love as being something else. I do, with every fiber in my being, reject the notion that one can truly "love" someone if they also go out of their way to abuse them.

I can't believe you were capable of writing these sentences back to back.

But even if you didn't feel sympathetic, it's really hard to argue that the film isn't trying to make you feel sympathetic to Thanos.

I literally said the film wants you to sympathize with him, and I explained how it accomplishes this, and why I think this is totally separate from his plans/motive.

Saying, "Well he was trying to help people, but his methods were the problem" as if the methods or behaviors aren't what defines us is a result of the film's desire for people to sympathize with him.

You could not be missing my point any harder if you tried.

Edited May 5th by The Bandit

Endgame seems to be something of a cultural event. I was late in experiencing it, as usual, but now I have and I want to talk about it.

The really surprising thing, and I say this without a spoiler tag because it really doesn't qualify as one, is that they were able to hit the inevitable (to borrow a word from Thanos) reset button in such a way that the movie was still compelling. There were so many terrible ways of resolving that problem that I'd be inclined to have Dr. Stephen Strange look for a solution, but they went and picked a good one anyway.

Cynicism is cheap, and many people have begun expressing it for the Marvel formula, but these movies, taken both as a whole and also regarding many of the individual pieces, are very high quality. A few of them are nearly as good as a superhero movie could ever possibly be, and in that company I would include both Infinity War and Endgame. You certainly can't seriously accuse either one of those films of "playing it safe", as has been the most common complaint for Marvel's cinematic universe. Infinity War ends with Thanos getting his sunrise. Endgame opens with almost an hour (or so it felt like) of people trying to move on with their lives. There are actual permanent deaths for important characters, lending a finality to the whole enterprise. Imagine family movie franchises trying something like this ten years ago, and if you can somehow reconcile the improbability of that scenario then increase it to twenty, or thirty. Of course, these are mass market movies meant to appeal to as many people as possible. There are some that will insist on exercising disdain over anything that regular people might like, but ultimately these are better movies than they have any right to be, and the kids that grew up with them could hardly have hoped for better. They'll remember Endgame with the same fondness (and maybe fervor) that a previous generation or two reserved for the likes of Star Wars, Harry Potter, and so on. I say this despite being a fair weather fan at best. Iron Man was great, Avengers was fun, Guardians had its moments, and I was really into the ending of Dr. Strange, but going off a master list that I've just looked up it appears that I've seen a grand total of nine of these movies. I guess that's still a lot, but it's fewer than half, and it misses stuff like Winter Soldier and Black Panther. I intend to get to those eventually.

The rest of my observations require spoiler tags, and are in bullet point format:



Oh, and Evans looks so much better without a beard. He never should have had one! Apparently this is a thing that people are talking about on the internet, and so I figured that I'd give my definitive opinion on the matter.

Edited May 11th by Famov

I like bearded captain America

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