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Posted: Posted June 20th by Moonray
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I guess I'll just say spoilers ahead so I don't have to spoiler tag any plot related stuff. I felt I had to do that last post just incase anyone who hadn't seen the show popped into the post but cba this time but my TL;DR spoiler free is it's not as good as Last Airbender, but still enjoyable.

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So finished Legend of Korra now too...

Season 1 - Nothing special, had to dedicate time to setting up the characters and world and they left themselves little time to work on the villain. It's not the worst season, that goes to season 4, but it's the second weakest in my opinion. I think some of the stuff they did with Amon and his brother were good but they spent too little time on it and frankly they didn't show anything to suggest that the Equalists were right. I found it hard to sympathise with them when often their evidence for benders treating them badly was something they had orchestrated to happen. Perhaps if they'd shown more of just benders abusing their powers against the normal citizens I'd have cared more about their cause. Gets even worse when you later discover that Amon was a waterbender the whole time, easy to see why their entire movement vanishes after Amon does- because it had no foundations to stand on.

Season 2 - I found this season a lot better structured than Season 1 and thus more enjoyable to watch. However it is the biggest culprit for messing with the lore and over-explaining given it has the Avatar origin story which takes away all the mystery and intrigue for the Avatar. Turns out they're just someone who is merged with an all powerful spirit. Should've left it a mystery. The villain was actually less interesting than Amon though, despite having a better developed arc. This season also introduced some of the more interesting & enoyable characters which brought back a bit of the essence of what Last Airbender had which was nice. (Also wtf giant energy people fight).

Season 3 - I would say this was my favourite season. The villains seemed to have a goal I could empathise with even if I didn't agree with them. They were also dangerous, each one repesenting an element and being extremely skilled with it. Weirdly I don't have a lot to say about this season even though it kinda just did most things right for me. Will just add that it felt weird to me that Season 3 started off with the question of how to remove the spirit wilds from the city and then never went back to that plot at all (nor did Season 4 really).

Season 4 - Uuuuuugh. I did not enjoy most of this season. I will say I liked the idea of the Earth nation being the bad guys after we had seen them be the victims in Last Airbender. Was nice to explore that idea that it's not just the Fire Nation who can be assholes... But otherwise it's pretty uninteresting. The villain became very generic very quickly. The same can be said of Ozai from Last Airbender but the difference there is Ozai exuded evil and had multiple seasons to sit in the background as the ultimate obstacle for Aang to overcome so when he does eventually become the focus of attention it has more depth, despite his character having little. With Season 4's villain she didn't have that prior menance, nor did she have much menace within the season. Nothing of interest happened to the main characters either, though some of the secondary characters got some good development. Varrick and Zhu Li I would say definitely did. Overall a pretty boring season though.

Oh and that ending where it turns out Korra is gay or bisexual or whichever was totally out of the blue and I don't like it because there's literally nothing to suggest it nor is there anything prior to that to suggest she and Asami had much attraction to each other beyond simple friendship (they shared very little screentime through the show). I am really not a fan of when characters get given a new personality trait out of nowhere. To me it felt like they perhaps wanted to give the show a similar ending to what Airbender had, where the closing shot was Aang and Katara finally being together, but they realised they hadn't given Korra any meaningful romatic connections to anyone ever since her and Mako broke up. So instead of just ending it with some sort of shot with her friends, they threw in a romantic relationship with the only character they felt might make some sense? (Or they just did it to hop on a trend). Whatever the reason, it needed prior development to work. Aang and Katara worked because they'd spent three seasons building to that moment.

The setting was interesting but also weird. I kinda liked exploring the same world but in the future, but at the same time it felt like a lot of the "magic" was gone. Partly because they wasted a lot of time staying in Republic City instead of exploring what had happened to the whole world, but also because things like lightning-bending seemed to have become rather common (season 1 had a bunch of people doing it at a power plant). In Last Airbender they made lightning-bending seem pretty exclusive and very difficult to master. On the other hand it was cool to see Toph's mastery of metalbending had been passed on, but perhaps that's because metal-bending wasn't given the same mysticism that lightning-bending was.

I would have also liked to explore a bit more of the fire nation in this new age. They were kept very much in the background and sidelined, perhaps they felt they needed to because they'd been such a large presence in Last Airbender. Still, I would've liked to have seen more of what peacetime Fire Nation looks like :)

So overall I liked it but it wasn't as good. I think some comments from the previous thread were overblown reactions. I still don't agree with Red Leaf's interpretation of the past avatars being destroyed/erased, to me it seemed to be made pretty clear that she just lost her connection to them and that if the storywriters wanted to they could easily do a story to re-add that connection without contradicting anything (and perhaps that is how the show should have ended, with her regaining her connection to the past Avatars).

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I would agree that season 3 is likely the best season in a vacuum. That's with me ignoring that ATLA even exists and that Korra is it's own thing. It just has the best villains, and Bolin unlocking his molten earth bending was really cool and they gave my bro some serious screen time. Season 3 Korra likely has more raw entertainment value than even the main series, but it's also the most simple and devoid of any real lasting world-building. It's not that memorable other than the 4 villains and they go away too fast.

"(and perhaps that is how the show should have ended, with her regaining her connection to the past Avatars)"

If they did it like that, it would make season 2 much better IMO. I liked learning about Wan, and maybe she could have met him in the spirit world to restore the avatar chain.

Also I don't really like being called Red Leaf. I prefer oi or IKM.

Edited June 20th by I killed Mufasa
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Yeah, season 3 of Korra was safer and more refined than the rest, but the show as a whole is just not as memorable as The Last Airbender. There is no overarching story between the seasons. Korra already mastered pretty much all the elements at the beginning of the show. There's no real drive or motivation, and even if there is, most of the times we see Korra and co in a position where she can't do anything to stop it. It's a lot of UGH and it's not fun, whereas pretty much every single episode of The Last Airbender is leading towards something greater, or doing something to help further the plot and better develop the characters.

Posted June 22nd by mariomguy
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I still like the vast majority of the legend of korra possibly even more than the last airbender I'll say that much. I could try to go into more detail about why or address some points but I don't really feel like it at least not at the moment. But it's subjective anyway at the end of the day.

Edited June 22nd by Grey Echelon
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Also I don't really like being called Red Leaf. I prefer oi or IKM.


In that case I will try to avoid it in future :)

I would agree that season 3 is likely the best season in a vacuum. That's with me ignoring that ATLA even exists and that Korra is it's own thing. It just has the best villains, and Bolin unlocking his molten earth bending was really cool and they gave my bro some serious screen time. Season 3 Korra likely has more raw entertainment value than even the main series, but it's also the most simple and devoid of any real lasting world-building. It's not that memorable other than the 4 villains and they go away too fast.


Season 3 did take them to the Earth Kingdom and revisited Ba Sing Se, though not a lot had really changed there it at least setup the idea that the modern Earth Kingdom were unhappy with have ceded land to the United Republic. So there was some world-building.

There is no overarching story between the seasons. Korra already mastered pretty much all the elements at the beginning of the show. There's no real drive or motivation, and even if there is, most of the times we see Korra and co in a position where she can't do anything to stop it.


This is definitely the show's biggest issue. They start Korra off in a pretty powerful position, she's already mastered three elements and whilst she does struggle with Air she gets that by the end of Season 1- at which point her training in it basically stops and hse's depicted as being just fine at it.

But there's also another issue here. For Aang the Avatar state wasn't something he could just dip in and out of during the show, and when he did use it he was usually not in control. The moment Korra is able to do it, she instantly has it mastered. Season 1 ends with her entering the Avatar state, Season 2 opens with her able to use it at will. They skipped over a huge part of her development and undermined her character, because as you noted they kept putting her in positions where she can't do anything after that. When the main character has a power like that it's very difficult to write scenarios for them.

I still like the vast majority of the legend of korra possibly even more than the last airbender I'll say that much. I could try to go into more detail about why or address some points but I don't really feel like it at least not at the moment. But it's subjective anyway at the end of the day.


I made the post for people to post what they think, you should definitely share your thoughts.

Posted June 22nd by Moonray
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I actually agree that LOK is really enjoyable but not on the same level as The Last Airbender. I had heard people didn't like Korra very much, so I went into the show by telling myself "This won't be TLA 2.0." And when it wasn't, I thoroughly enjoyed the show for what it is instead of what it isn't. I'm also of the opinion that season 2 is better than the first season. However, I think elements of season 2 should have been saved for the series finale...like the crazy megazord battle at the end.

I also really like that Korra goes more into the spirit world. Yeah, I think people's complaints are mostly overblown and came at the heat of the show's original airing (I watched Korra after the series finished
Again, not as good as The Last Airbender. But still great.

Posted June 22nd by Laxan
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However, I think elements of season 2 should have been saved for the series finale...like the crazy megazord battle at the end.


Yea narratively it makes very little sense for the ancient ultimate evil to not be the final villain of the show.

I'm not much of a fan of that fight though. I think it would've been way cooler to see two Avatars fighting at full power rather than two giant energy people brawling.

Posted June 22nd by Moonray
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Yeah, season 2 would have been way better as season 4, with 4 as 3 and 3 as 2. And then a final episode of Korra and Wan restoring the avatar chain.

Posted June 22nd by I killed Mufasa
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I made the post for people to post what they think, you should definitely share your thoughts.

I'll give it a shot then even though I'm not the best at it, but I do think it did "more serious modern version of avatar" well. And the political/religious reasoning for the villains made it all the more interesting whereas I feel like while it was present in the last airbender, it wasn't as interesting to me personally. Like for example, Long Feng's scheming or the clear brainwashing shit going on the in the earth kingdom was cool and all but to me it doesn't hold a candle to Amon or Zaheer or hell maybe even Kuvira and Unalaq (before going all dark avatar and apparently losing himself a bit), who have goals that are ultimately I feel more understandable even if you disagree with them and I say this because the villains seem to be a big part of what makes legend of korra interesting. The reason I feel this is because while Long Feng was also a believable antagonist at least to some extent, his motives are ultimately clearly more self-serving and oppressive than Zaheer and arguably Amon. I feel that villains in these series are made more interesting when it actually seems like they're representing the common man in some way or another, that they are fighting the status quo that is in some way part of their struggles. Korra multiple times over, ends up defending the status quo despite it's clear flaws and despite that it ends up working AGAINST her and this makes her a flawed hero imo, which also makes the dynamic even more interesting imo, because while there were moments where Aang would question himself immensely and the actions he has to take and shit ultimately Aang just didn't strike me as protagonist that at the very least hastruly had to stand for the wrong or questionable thing knowingly much if at all. Aang believes killing is wrong but at the end of the day he doesn't even have to do THAT. Aang in the last airbender was literally just the good guy fighting an evil warlord and honestly I find that boring in comparison and it's part of why I don't get why people complain about Korra being boring (I mean aside from the season 1 relationship drama and shit like that but eh).

they didn't show anything to suggest that the Equalists were right.

Because they're not. But they are supposed to be relatable or similar, and you see the oppression of non-benders during the whole process through the handling of protesters and whatnot. Inherently, benders have an edge, an edge that was clearly shown to be used to exert power this isn't even about who has guns and who doesn't, it's about who has weapons at their fingertips and who doesn't and thus it's an inherently more severe situation. Leveling the playing field in such a situation is certainly understandable, albeit extreme.

I found it hard to sympathise with them when often their evidence for benders treating them badly was something they had orchestrated to happen.

Often but not always. But the fact that it did happen and the fact that it required outside parties particularly a ruling council to do it shows that their evidence can and will happen even without them and likely does even more than what was shown on screen.

Perhaps if they'd shown more of just benders abusing their powers against the normal citizens I'd have cared more about their cause.

That happens though imo in a pretty decent way, and just because their actions lead to it doesn't mean it's irrelevant or that it could never happen again or hasn't happened before. I wager it's been a common problem historically and what's happening is just doing away with the more subtle or sporadic instances and displays what they're really capable of.

Gets even worse when you later discover that Amon was a waterbender the whole time, easy to see why their entire movement vanishes after Amon does- because it had no foundations to stand on.

No it had foundation for reason I mentioned before, it's just that in order to oppose power, you NEED power. That was the idea they were going for anyway imo. And that can tend to make one seem like a hypocrite even when their cause may be understandable in a sense, and if you put aside the more extreme methods for a sec, the hypocrisy would matter a shitload less but because Amon took the extremist route, it's easy for people to just dismiss it entirely as hypocrisy but again imo subtly good handling of it.

I found this season a lot better structured than Season 1 and thus more enjoyable to watch. However it is the biggest culprit for messing with the lore and over-explaining given it has the Avatar origin story which takes away all the mystery and intrigue for the Avatar. Turns out they're just someone who is merged with an all powerful spirit. Should've left it a mystery.

And I am again fine with this. Seeing the avatar as just some dude who stumbles upon power and the circumstances by which he did. The spirit also isn't out of place imo when you consider the meaning of "avatars" in real life religions. Like at all, in fact this should have been expected. And also I feel like this situation in some ways sets up season 3 pretty well with the avatar's dynamic with a spirit of order between Zaheer and his desire for anarchy and opposing the status quo which Korra again often finds herself defending which isn't a coincidence despite how she may in some ways also technically go against it too here and there arguably. Also the symbolism of Korra listening to who becomes the dark avatar or in some way representing the spirit of chaos and opening the world up to spirits imo at least somewhat symolizes ACTUAL balance and I think that was the point. I'm glad they didn't just go entirely with "light good dark bad".

(Also wtf giant energy people fight).

Lol at that point it was cool and that's all it needed to be imo.

I would say this was my favourite season. The villains seemed to have a goal I could empathise with even if I didn't agree with them. They were also dangerous, each one repesenting an element and being extremely skilled with it. Weirdly I don't have a lot to say about this season even though it kinda just did most things right for me.

Agreed.

Uuuuuugh. I did not enjoy most of this season. I will say I liked the idea of the Earth nation being the bad guys after we had seen them be the victims in Last Airbender. Was nice to explore that idea that it's not just the Fire Nation who can be assholes... But otherwise it's pretty uninteresting. The villain became very generic very quickly

The context it's in for one thing makes a huge difference to me imo. Zaheer while more understandable in his motives and more likable and more agreeable ultimately set the stage for this by bringing anarchy which leads to the fascist adjacent (or fascist depending on who you ask) Kuvira taking control. Her's is a motive fueled by nationalist fervor brought about by the continuing shitty conditions of the earth kingdom that while we can't understand as much, a lot of people can.

The same can be said of Ozai from Last Airbender but the difference there is Ozai exuded evil and had multiple seasons to sit in the background as the ultimate obstacle for Aang to overcome so when he does eventually become the focus of attention it has more depth, despite his character having little.

See it was the opposite for me because it's always the same villain, always the same motive, and he's not even that interesting. AT LEAST change it up so that at least one would be more interesting. And ya I get it there is some overlap between his goals for the greatness of the fire nation and what Kuvira is doing with the earth kingdom quite arguably, but I really felt Kuvira's reasoning was far more understandable even in the explained context given the state of the earth kingdom and what it has gone through in 3 different styles of government or non-government and the shitty conditions therein especially with the latter 2. When shit gets fucked, nationalism is what many will turn to and in that sense, Kuvira is representing many of her people no doubt.

"How could I just stand by and watch the same thing happen to my nation when it needed someone to guide it?"

With Season 4's villain she didn't have that prior menance, nor did she have much menace within the season.

I mean I don't necessarily agree but it's hard to explain why. Zaheer's menace came more from him directly as an individual whereas Kuvira's came from the sometimes rather terrifying technology she utilizes and her utilization of metal bending and I honestly felt like it worked. How she inspires so much devotion.

Nothing of interest happened to the main characters either, though some of the secondary characters got some good development.

I do recall I disagree with this too but I'd probably have to rewatch it to remember exactly why. Something about Korra's struggles and PTSD-like shit I think.

Oh and that ending where it turns out Korra is gay or bisexual or whichever was totally out of the blue and I don't like it because there's literally nothing to suggest it nor is there anything prior to that to suggest she and Asami had much attraction to each other beyond simple friendship (they shared very little screentime through the show)

The first time I felt this way too and I didn't like either and I'm still not a huge fan of it but I can accept it because honestly, I think there was some build up there and we just didn't notice it or remember it because we didn't really expect it at all but some of the interactions honestly I think could be seen as going beyond friends. I'm not saying you're homophobic for not noticing or anything like that, I didn't notice it either and I'm not saying it was the case for you but for other people I think the fact that it would be a homosexual relationship is part of why it just didn't click for some people because any implications of romantic implications in build up that aren't directly romantic could just be taken for close girl friends whereas with dudes it would have other implications. Maybe I became wrong about this but eh.

Honestly though this show handles romance terribly in general imo and I'm only saying this going off of the standards this show already set with romance.

The setting was interesting but also weird. I kinda liked exploring the same world but in the future, but at the same time it felt like a lot of the "magic" was gone.

Still see it the opposite way because, in simple terms it's easier to romanticize the distant past whereas the more modern can be less so in some senses.

but also because things like lightning-bending seemed to have become rather common (season 1 had a bunch of people doing it at a power plant). In Last Airbender they made lightning-bending seem pretty exclusive and very difficult to master.

I like that too because it shows how far things have come, same with metal bending. If even lightning could become a bit more mainstream imagine what society has accomplished ect. The rarity instead representing through Bolin and "lavabending" anyway.

Edited June 23rd by Grey Echelon
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Yeah, season 2 would have been way better as season 4, with 4 as 3 and 3 as 2. And then a final episode of Korra and Wan restoring the avatar chain.

That much I can agree on despite what else I've said this thread.

Posted June 22nd by Grey Echelon
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I didn't like Jinora's spirit bending stuff. I would have rather seen something more elemental as an airbending sub-class.

Posted June 23rd by I killed Mufasa
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