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Avatar: The Last Airbender
Posted: Posted June 9th by Moonray
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Netflix UK recently added this show and on the recommendation of a friend I decided to watch it. I know there are people who come here that are fans of the show so thought I'd make a post for discussion about the show :)

Being someone who foolishly watched the live-action movie when that came out I can now appreciate just why Avatar fans hated that movie so much. I never considered it a particularly good movie, but now that I have seen the original versions of many of the scenes I can definitely see just how terrible it is. I think the worst offender would be the scene where Zuko sneaks off the ship and Iroh comes to send him off. In the animated series it's a very important moment for their development, with both of them acknowledging their father-son like relationship that has formed. In the movie they don't address this at all, they just have Iroh fussing over Zuko and then sending him off.

It's a good show and I can see why it has such a large fan following. The characters were all great with solid arcs over the three seasons (Iroh is the best though!). Aside from a couple of missteps the episodes were all good and consistent. Music was great throughout.

Definitely loved the spiritual stuff they touch on. I'm always a sucker for spiritual & magical themed things so I really loved that side of the world building, especially as it seemed to lean on real world beliefs/faiths.

I do have one question though. Why does Sokka randomly have his boomerang equipped for almost the whole episode where that Firebender with the cool psychic explosion power ends up dying. Clearly it's so he could use it at the critical moment to win the fight, but all the episodes prior to that and after that he has his sword equipped with the boomerang nowhere in sight. Then suddenly that episode he has it equipped again. Almost like the plot needed it!

I'm also on the Legend of Korra now, near the end of S2 I think. S1 was pretty weak, I like the concepts and everything I just felt the story needed a few more episodes as they needed time to develop the new setting, new characters and then also devote time to the villain story-arc and I felt the villain story-arc just rushed through things too much. A few more episodes would've given them chance to slow down Amon's story a little bit and let things sink in more.

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Glad you finally joined the Aang gang! Avatar is one of the most amazing shows to ever grace television, and watching it on Netflix proves that. There is so much intention and motivation behind all the characters, the writing and fighting sequences are on point, and the actors give incredible performances. While most shows go dark and cynical, Avatar tries to stay light in spite of all the horrors and dramatic events, which makes it much more watchable and enjoyable, and it makes the impressive grandeur and scope feel that much bigger.

Regarding the boomerang, Sokka uses it as a projectile, while the sword is for close combat. It makes sense when their enemy was a guy who shoots explosions from his mind not to use a close combat weapon like a sword. He always has both, though. I could've sworn when they were taking out the war blimps toward the end of the series Sokka used both.

FYI, most people regard Korra's season 2 as the worst. The show's creators expected each season of Korra to be the last, and then it was renewed for another season. So season 1 was actually the only story they wanted to tell. Season 2 is considered by fans to be the worst. Season 3 is great, though. But season 4 is just weird. Good luck with Korra.

Posted June 9th by mariomguy
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It is on American Netflix now. Ill be adding it to my netflix list once I resubscribe. I too watched the movie many years ago. I thought it was okay. (Never watched the show)

Posted June 9th by S.O.H.
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S.O.H... watch the show and bleach the movie out of your brain.

Posted June 9th by mariomguy
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Be careful. Bender doesn't mean what it means in the UK. XD

Posted June 9th by I killed Mufasa
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bleach the movie out of your brain.

Its been close to a decade. I assure you that Ive bleached a lot of things out of my brain over the last 10 years.

Posted June 9th by S.O.H.
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At the time of nomination, this show was one of only two animated series that won a Peabody Award for its writing. And it's still relevant today. Everyone needs to watch it!

-Michael Fahel

Posted June 9th by mariomguy
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Yeah Korra ends after season 1. Don't get me wrong, season 2 has high production value and some really cool characters and the special effects are fucking dope. But they eviscerate the entire story of the last airbender and completely shit the bed when it comes to the plot and the relevance of the two seasons that follow it. Like season 3 korra is good in a vacuum by itself, but yeah, don't take anything after season 1 as canon. It's not.

Edited June 9th by I killed Mufasa
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I watched all of the show and I really enjoyed it. I watched Korra up until like near the end of season 2. Unfortunately Nickelodeon made it almost impossible to catch it when they started messing with the airings.

Never have seen the movie. Heard it was really bad so I didn't even bother. They hired white people to play Sokka and Katara, like what the fuck. You can argue Aang is white maybe, but Sokka and Katara definitely aren't white.

Posted June 9th by Fox Forever
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There is so much intention and motivation behind all the characters, the writing and fighting sequences are on point, and the actors give incredible performances.


Most of my TV watching is kind of done in a multitasking way, where I'll be on my phone or my Switch at the same time, but for this show I ended up putting everything else down because I was enjoying it. It's visually very fun to watch, aside from a few missteps the stories were all good. Definitely agree on the voice actors as well, they always gave it their best. Even the "extras" who voiced additional characters in episodes.

While most shows go dark and cynical, Avatar tries to stay light in spite of all the horrors and dramatic events, which makes it much more watchable and enjoyable, and it makes the impressive grandeur and scope feel that much bigger.


Yes. This touches on something I really liked. I much prefer stories that are more optimistic in nature. I definitely can appreciate darker stuff, but my preference has always been optimistic stuff- especially in this age were most TV/Movies feel like they have gone down the more realistic/gritty/dark route.

Regarding the boomerang, Sokka uses it as a projectile, while the sword is for close combat. It makes sense when their enemy was a guy who shoots explosions from his mind not to use a close combat weapon like a sword. He always has both, though. I could've sworn when they were taking out the war blimps toward the end of the series Sokka used both.


Yea he definitely did that later. It's just a nitpick, but in that particular episode with the explosion guy he just randomly had his boomerang equipped for the entire episode after not having it on his back for ages :P

Be careful. Bender doesn't mean what it means in the UK. XD


Ha ha, yes there are quite a few lines that taken out of context can have an entirely different meaning over here!

FYI, most people regard Korra's season 2 as the worst. The show's creators expected each season of Korra to be the last, and then it was renewed for another season. So season 1 was actually the only story they wanted to tell. Season 2 is considered by fans to be the worst. Season 3 is great, though. But season 4 is just weird.

Yeah Korra ends after season 1. Don't get me wrong, season 2 has high production value and some really cool characters and the special effects are fucking dope. But they eviscerate the entire story of the last airbender and completely shit the bed when it comes to the plot and the relevance of the two seasons that follow it. Like season 3 korra is good in a vacuum by itself, but yeah, don't take anything after season 1 as canon. It's not.


Since posting I have finished Season 2 as I watched a few episodes today.

I don't know if I would say Season 2 was worse than Season 1 simply because I felt the plot was structured and developed a lot better. They certainly did some weird things with the lore and so I can see why people might view the season as worse because of that but honestly the first season already did some weird stuff.

Overall I don't see myself liking this show as much as Last Airbender, but I'm enjoying it enough to see it through to the end.

I will say I appreciate that Legend of Korra as a show is willing to have meaningful changes to its world. Though now that I know each season was written to be an ending I can understand why they were more willing to take that risk.

Never have seen the movie. Heard it was really bad so I didn't even bother. They hired white people to play Sokka and Katara, like what the fuck. You can argue Aang is white maybe, but Sokka and Katara definitely aren't white.


Yea I feel Aang's "ethnicity" in real world terms is rather vague so you could get away with casting him any which way but Katara and Sokka clearly aren't.

Looking back at the movie it's kinda weird how it could be so bad. In some ways they stuck very close to the plot of the first season of the show, they just ripped out parts of certain episodes and turned them into scenes... But then they made weird changes to those moments that just make it not as good. And the acting was pretty bad from what I recall.

Aside from the example I gave with Iroh and Zuko, there's also the scene where Iroh gets mad about the killing of the Moon spirit. In the movie he kinda just produces some fire from his hands and all the Fire Nation guys run away in "fear" even though they can Firebend too. In the show Iroh fights the fire nation troops, beating them and forcing Zhao to flee the scene. Like why would you make that change? Everyone would prefer to see the fight version.

There's also the bit where in the show the Ocean Spirit kills Zhao in revenge for him killing the Moon Spirit. But then in the movie it's just four random Waterbenders show up, kill him, and then wander off.

The movie version losses a lot of the significance behind these scenes because they chose to alter it for reasons I can't understand.

Posted June 9th by Moonray
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Look Moonray, season 2 was a well made production from a technical and voice acting perspective. But it didn't "meaningfully change ALA" it took a raunchiest dump over it's source material that it possibly could and killed all the avatar spirits including fucking Aang. If TLA didn't exist maybe season 2 of Korra is good, but you can't just tell us TLA was a waste of time by undoing everything and think fans will be okay with it.

It was blasphemy.

Edited June 9th by I killed Mufasa
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