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Rewatching this again. Love it so much

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:D We must talk more about how great this show was!

Posted June 18th by mariomguy
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My favorite series.

Posted June 18th by I killed Mufasa
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I enjoyed Korra as well, but Avatar is the superior series

Posted June 20th by -Riku-
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The entire time I watched Avatar I think there was only one episode that wasn't good. Korra was enjoyable but I don't think I watched past season 2 due to Nickelodeon making it really hard to watch the full series. One day I will go back and finish it.

Posted June 21st by Fox Forever
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The only episode of Avatar I really truly do not like is the one with the canyon and the two tribes. It's such a snore. But all the others, even the filler episodes, are just fantastic.

Posted June 21st by I killed Mufasa
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Yes that's the EXACT one I was referring to!

Posted June 21st by Fox Forever
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Yeah, I tend to skip that episode

Posted June 21st by -Riku-
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The Fortuneteller and Bato of the Water Tribe are also episodes I am not a fan of

Posted June 26th by -Riku-
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Most people tend to agree that the canyon episode is the worst.

But even at its worst, I still watch it through.

Avatar: The Last Airbender is one of the greatest shows ever made, animated or otherwise. Period.

Posted June 30th by Laxan
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I thought the drill two-parter was the best of the series. While it doesn't quite have the epic scope of the grand finale, that was it's greatest strength: it was clear, concise, laser-focused on this one particular breach into Ba Sing Se, and the characters and plans that execute perfectly or are laid to waste. The pacing was brilliant.

There are more emotional episodes (lookin' at you, Iroh), more epic ones (finale, attack on the water tribe, solar eclipse, etc), and more fantastic episodes (Roku's island, the northern air temple, opening of the chakras), and darker episodes (anything with the Dai Li, Hama, Korra finding the man who killed her mother), but this two-parter was the most well-choreographed. It is pure action/adventure done right, and done well.

Posted June 30th by mariomguy
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I thought Book 3's ending was actually the weakest ending of any of the 3. The swirling elements were ridiculous when he tried to cork screw them toward Ozai's chest. It was still a good episode, don't get me wrong, but it felt rushed and I would have liked to see more from Ozai in Book 3.

Posted June 30th by I killed Mufasa
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Truth be told, there was more going into that grand finale than any other. The entire show, every single episode, was pounding this finale into our heads. The fact that it even passes as being an acceptable ending is completely astonishing (save for the Deus Ex Machina at the end with energybending).

I actually wished we saw less of Ozai. I like him being this background dragon-in-hiding sort-of villain that we only hear about: it makes him more a myth or legend than a man. The solar eclipse episode made him a man, and an awkward one at that. If he could be more mysterious during the scene, it could've passed, but overall I liked how he wasn't at the forefront of the action.

Posted June 30th by mariomguy
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The eclipse episode needed to be there for Zuko's character arc. The redirect lightning scene was one of the most powerful in the entire series. Not to mention the Water tribe and earth Kingdom needed some kind of small military victory to give us an idea of how powerful they are. And Aang did the same thing with lightning in the finale, except he didn't aim it at Ozai when he should have. I just really don't like the direction of the last 5 or so episodes of avatar even though individually I like the episodes. The energy bending was stupid. Aang should have been forced to decide to Kill him, or beat him, or humiliate him into abdication with a control that states he is no longer a member of the royal family even if Azula, Zuko, and Iroh all perish and he can never be Fire lord again. Azula was a victim as much as Zuko and she never got any real closure.

Posted July 1st by I killed Mufasa
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Azula acted in favor of the Fire Lord against her brother. Her life was spent trying to please her daddy and become the Fire Lord, but when it was obvious he never saw anything in her and the job was only superseded by another, she realized her whole life was wasted for nothing. She lost her family and all her friends, and she went psycho. The reason she lost that final fight wasn't because Zuko was a better fighter, but because he had grown into a better person. It was his friends that stood by his side and saved him. Azula had nobody. Officially, she was sent to spend the rest of her days in a mental institution.

That was Azula's entire arc. Very befitting her character. She had closure.

As far as energy bending goes, I don't like how it's a Deus Ex Machina, but I do like having the third option. Plus, that final scene with red vs. blue was outstanding visually, and symbolically. It's the option that makes the most sense for Aang. Think about it - if he killed Ozai, then the whole series just throws away everything it did to maintain Aang as a pacifist. He saved the world and stopped Ozai without doing what the other Avatars did. And if he didn't kill Ozai, well, he didn't really stop him, either. It was a perfect ending, even though we could've gotten there better.

Posted July 1st by mariomguy
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The fight between Zuko/Katara and Azula was, IMO, the best fight in the entire series. As for Aang killing Ozai, that would have gone against his character. Aang is a monk and treasures all life due to how he was raised. It would have been like having Katara kill the man who murdered her mother. It goes against the character entirely. You also have to remember that Aang is still a child. Despite his wisdom, maturity, and duties to the world, he is only 12/13 years old.

I feel like Sokka is the only member of the main 5 (Zuko, Toph, Sokka, Katara, and Aang) who didn't really get an arc until act 3.

Posted July 1st by -Riku-
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Yes. That's why the decision to remove his bending was so great. Aang is the avatar, so garners a responsibility greater than everyone else and needs to make a decision on this. But being a child, we feel he should not make choices of life or death. The decision to remove bending shows him as being capable, wise, and courageous without being a monster. It would've been nice if there was a greater force behind the bending that was hinted at, but even the way it played out rushed was better than any alternatives.

Posted July 1st by mariomguy
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I feel like him having this crisis prior to the eclipse and meeting the Lion Turtle before that event would have been better.

Posted July 2nd by -Riku-
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But I feel like the energy bending was plot armour for Aang's innocent nature. And plot armour is rarely a good thing. They should have gone into it more and explained it better. It made the finale feel cheap. I would much rather aang pummel the shit out of ozai and then use words/dialog to let him know he's not going to be ruling the fire nation anymore. I agree killing him goes against Aang's character. That wasn't an option. But humiliating him with powerful airbending doesn't go against Aang's character. Aang, in the avatar state can probably summon a hurricane or the biggest tornado the world has ever seen. Just trap Ozai in it until he's prepared to fuck off on being a douche bag.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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At least when Aang used energy bending on Yakone in Korra it was an established thing and he was a background chyaracter. But having it used for the first time in the goddamn finale to settle everything was so cheap and I feel like things worked out too perfectly for team avatar in the end. I realize it's a kids show though. I can forgive them on that basis. A more 16+ avatar would have seen Sokka get a lot more injured or killed in the finale, and Ozai get beaten a lot worse before he submits.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Sorry, I can't edit my posts but I have more to say.

One other thing, if the entire white lotus went to liberate Ba Sing Se, what about the rest of the massive Fire nation navy and army? There wasn't enough focus on the actual war in the finale, loike there was in the eclipse episodes. Are we supposed to assume that the water spirit/Avatar State Aang at the end of the first book took out a substantial number of Ozai's navy ships so he had weaker forces than usual?

Aang beating up on Ozai when he has many many troops in the vicinity who are all boosted by the comet yet we see none of them? Not one of those troops could glide around on fire jets when the ships went down? And Sokka is such a genius he created a perfect kamikaze line to take out all of them in one go? It's ridiculous. Plot armour. My main complaint with the finale is that the Fire nation had a terrain advantage and it was never really explored other than to show the boosted fire output from Ozai and Iroh. Ozai had thousands of firebenders under his command. We needed another 3 or 4 episodes for that finale to play out the battles.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Ozai never would have surrendered. No matter what Aang would have said, Ozai would find a way to fight on. He already got his ass handed to him by Aang before the energy bending part and he STILL tried to kill Aang. As for the fire nation troops, it never really bothered me. The two biggest points to achieve with the finale was to have Aang face Ozai alone and for Azula to be taken down. Think of it like the final boss in a video game. The whole thing has been leading up to this fight and having the last boss receive help from footsoldiers, imo, weakens the atmosphere of the fight. Aang has shown he can take on dozens of fire soldiers in the avatar state and even outside it. This was his and Ozai's fight. Plus, Ozai would not have wanted interference. If he only managed to take down the Avatar because he got help from soldiers, it would ruin his image as the Phoenix King in his mind

Posted July 2nd by -Riku-
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That was another dumb thing, the whole Phoenix King title. -shakes head-

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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long live the king

I like the fact that Ozai considered himself beyond the Fire Lord, and opted for a title that encompasses the whole world. Just because the character does something stupid doesn't mean it's a poor choice for the story.

I too was curious what the army was doing, but it seems it was a two-front attack on Ba Sing Se and then Ozai scorching the Earth. I don't think it was possible to play up the finale, the only thing the writers could do at that point is disappoint.

It would have been nice to establish energybending prior. They showed it's possible to stop someone's bending with chi blocking, but that was strictly Ty Lee's capability. We only saw the lion turtle as a throwaway drawing in the library. There needed to be more lead-in to something like that. That was the single biggest flaw with the finale.

Posted July 2nd by mariomguy
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