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Anime Romp - One Punch Man, Aggretsuko, Inuyasha, Children of The Whales
Posted: Posted March 2nd
Edited March 15th by mariomguy

Recently, I went on an anime romp to better familiarize myself with the "genre." All the series I watched were pretty incredible in their own right, albeit for very different reasons! This list is in the order I watched them:

One Punch Man -

Wow, this series put an excellent spin on the overpowered hero! Being overpowered is actually kind of a let down. There are plenty of undertones about what excellence means in society, and this show tackles it from many angles. The symbolism is well thought through, and the more I think about it, the better it gets! It's an incredibly fun show, I'd peg it at a strong 4 stars. Some moments are definitely 5-star moments, the clear winner being Mumen Rider VS. the Sea King.

Children of The Whales -

The atmosphere of this show is astounding, but there are many moments that drag you out of it, the least of which is the strange start-and-stop pacing with any fight scenes. It's a shame because the setting has a unique character all to its own, and the story has the backbone of something very intriguing. Very interesting show, a very unique atmosphere, but the grit of the story gets hampered by moments that pull you out.

Aggretsuko -

WOW! Such a relatable show by the creators of Hello Kitty (yes, really), Aggretsuko appeals to anyone who ever had to work in their life. It has such mass appeal for adults in the working world, and a strange example of the gimmick actually blending naturally into the story. The writing is the best of all the shows I watched, the structure nothing short of superb, but the execution is a bit quirky. This show is fully self actualized - the concept could not possibly be taken further or handled better, but it's hardly larger than life. It IS life. Life gets 4 stars.

Inuyasha -

A girl travels back in history to a world of demons and spirits. She befriends a half-demon, finds out she has a secret connection to a sacred jewel of great power, and becomes embroidered in a battle between everyone in a quest for power... Inuyasha's strength, and the reason it's considered a classic, is due to the balance of great story, great writing, great concepts, great visuals, great symbolism, great fights, and great music all combined. Inuyasha is a jack of all trades, and would normally be given a very strong 4 stars, but... there are several episodes worth the 5 stars and more (See: "The Soul Piper and the Mischievous Little Soul," and "Kagome's Voice and Kikyo's Kiss"). Larger than life for sure!

That said, there seems to be some trepidation with the dubbing, and it sometimes feels odd pulling the same tropes as "Shoen Jump" kids anime right alongside bloody demons, all the death, war, and even sex. And there is clearly a lot of padding in the recaps and very long credits. Inuyasha at its heart is a children's adventure matured to a fault. Every element of the show shines, but not one thing in particular stands out too brightly. I still feel the need to hand out 5 stars because this show at its best is better than anything else, and lacking any obvious shortcomings is in its own right a grand accomplishment.

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I agree with your assessment of One Punch Man. It's definitely one of the more substantial shounen IPs that I've seen/read.

Posted March 2nd by nullfather

inuyasha was an aggressively mediocre show about screaming at barriers, shouting each others' names, and interspecies time travel romance

glad you enjoyed it though, especially since it was a pretty long series

Posted March 2nd by Pirate_Ninja

inuyasha was an aggressively mediocre show about screaming at barriers, shouting each others' names, and interspecies time travel romance

interspecies time travel romance aside. this sums up dragon ball z and naurto pretty dam well.

actually a smarter person could make the arguement that DBZ does have some interspecies time travel romance (future trunks, saiyans popping off offspirngs with humans, zarbon etc)

Posted March 2nd by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

I've never heard of any of these, except for Inuyasha, which was good in a lot of ways except for some recurring absurdities. (Let me use my wind tunnel!... oh wait, Naraku's poison wasps again! Can't do it!)

Posted March 2nd by Agis
Agis
 

kinda surprised you haven't heard of OPM at least, I feel like I see it arbitrarily mentioned/referenced a lot, comparatively speaking. Enjoyable show and not a huge commitment to watch.

and lol...the fucking wasps. Once Naraku got his hands on those things, Miroku might as well have just gone home.

(though I'm glad he didn't, he was the more likeable dude and his relationship with Sango was prob my favorite part of the resolution)


also DBZ is about picking fights, screaming the pigment out of your hair, and always hiding your true power (unless you're 1. a filler character, or 2. about to suddenly be powered up somehow)

Posted March 2nd by Pirate_Ninja

Inu Yasha was repetitive in theme, and in the sense that Inu Yasha Iron Reaver or Wind Scars every single enemy. It does get really tiring. But the actual art, and most of the characters are actually very interesting. It's a shame that the series got dumped for so long before they did the final chapter. The movies in particular are really well done. It's really just a shame that so much love went into the art and it's a mediocre anime anyway.

Posted March 2nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I agree with your assessment of One Punch Man. It's definitely one of the more substantial shounen IPs that I've seen/read.

Thanks! It is definitely a great parody/deconstruction of hero tropes, but I most definitely enjoy the depth of the symbolism. While the team of S heroes were battling a single "bad guy" and acted way overcompetent, even though they were victorious, Saitama was inside blasting away the entire mothership and making jokes!

inuyasha was an aggressively mediocre show about screaming at barriers, shouting each others' names, and interspecies time travel romance

Also, a lot of
"Inuyasha!"
"Kagome!"

But I don't think it's mediocre. Yes, it does ALL the tropes, but it's saved by excellent direction. It goes for the feeling of a classic 80s adventure cartoon, but for a way more mature audience. The pacing is spot on, which is something a LOT of anime gets wrong. Eventually it mellows out and starts repeating itself, but what I've seen so far is pretty good.

I've never heard of any of these, except for Inuyasha, which was good in a lot of ways except for some recurring absurdities. (Let me use my wind tunnel!... oh wait, Naraku's poison wasps again! Can't do it!)

A list:
"Inuyasha!" "Kagome!"
It was able to stop the Tetsaiga
But you're only human...
You're only a half-demon.
Inuyasha, how're you feeling? WELL SORRY I ASKED, IT'S NOT LIKE I CARE ABOUT YOU!
Oh yeah, my rheumatoid arthritis was really bad. (Nice going, grandpa)
I've gotten really good at digging graves! It seems like we're burying dead bodies every episode!

If the series stays this repetitive, it would definitely lose 5-star ranking. It's the only show I ranked without seeing from beginning to end.

and lol...the fucking wasps. Once Naraku got his hands on those things, Miroku might as well have just gone home.

One of Inuyasha's biggest issues is keeping power in check. There's no rhyme or reason to it, all the magic here is soft.

Inu Yasha was repetitive in theme, and in the sense that Inu Yasha Iron Reaver or Wind Scars every single enemy. It does get really tiring. But the actual art, and most of the characters are actually very interesting. It's a shame that the series got dumped for so long before they did the final chapter. The movies in particular are really well done. It's really just a shame that so much love went into the art and it's a mediocre anime anyway.

I like the direction, though. It really does feel like a classic, and I'm a sucker for that feeling. Newer anime feels too sharp with poorer pacing and comes off much weirder/less adventurous than Inuyasha. How it all comes together seems to matter more than whether or not any of the elements are particularly good. Inuyasha doesn't make grave mistakes, it just repeats what works well too much. I debated whether it should be 4 or 5 stars, but after the first season ended the second seems to be mellowing out into something that's gonna stay the same way for a while.

Posted March 2nd by mariomguy

Ugh, I hate the word "trope". If everything is just a trope then no one has any original ideas and that idea is depressing.

Posted March 2nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Ugh, I hate the word "trope". If everything is just a trope then no one has any original ideas and that idea is depressing.

No, every story has tropes. The tropeless tale is impossible. Tropes are tools. They lend to better structure, and if you use them well you can tell an amazing story with many moving parts without things becoming a directionless soup of emotions that can't get its bearings. Originality doesn't come when you use "less" tropes, it comes when you use tropes well, and for good reason. Play to strengths. This is what Inuyasha absolutely perfected: play to the strengths of the tropes, use them well, and use them often.

Almost every character you see in Inuyasha fits into a certain trope: the badass grandma, the child-friendly kid, the angry one who always charges into battles, the manipulative bastard of a villain who manipulates everyone for his game, the anti-sympathetic villain who's very competent in battles, the badass action girl, the group mother who is the chosen one becomes a badass action girl over the course of the show, down to the obligatory animal companion. But there is a structure to the show that wouldn't be able to exist without these characters. The few episodes where Kagome was forced back into her time stripped away a lot of the foundation for the tropes, forcing the characters into roles that didn't suit them properly, and they were some very disheartening episodes. The only way the show works is with that particular chemistry and set of characters fulfilling the roles they're meant to fulfill properly.

MLP, Pokemon, The Simpsons, Inuyasha, Aggretsuko, and One Punch Man all play to tropes very heavily and very well, and they're all very different kinds of shows, many of them popular and acclaimed. Children of The Whales on the other hand does not, and it's the lowest ranked.

Posted March 2nd by mariomguy

That's not a problem with the concept of tropes, though. That's a problem with Internet sophomores that love to think reductively.

Posted March 2nd by nullfather

I wouldn't be so harsh. I used to have that view myself. But these articles changed my mind:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/TheTropelessTale https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools

Posted March 2nd by mariomguy

It's an overused word these days.

Posted March 2nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I use it a lot. It's necessary: fiction is not as complex or messy as reality. A story requires purpose, and tropes are the tools used to create that purpose. Without tropes there would be no fiction, nor any point to any story.

Posted March 2nd by mariomguy

I see it a lot in character rap battles. People dis each other by saying you're an overused trope or a recycled archetype.



Edited March 2nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

arch-type


Archetype.

Posted March 2nd by nullfather

Calling someone an archetype is very different than the necessity of tropes in general. I'd imagine you'd call someone a trope if they were behaving in a very stereotypical manner and they're stuck in a rut. This is very different from tropes done well.

Posted March 2nd by mariomguy

One more:

Gurren Lagann -

A child and young man both leave a life in an underground village to see the surface. Robotic mechs are involved, and there's a war between demons and humans. I haven't gone through the entire series yet, but it's safe to say this is not the finest example of anime ever. The show is plagued with pacing issues, ostensibly obtuse characters, tons of telling, a LOT of repetition, and a world and story that only seems to be held up by the antics of the main hero. Episode 6 is a clip show. Production values are on the floor. Worse does exist, but I wouldn't recommend it.

I am basing this review off of the first 6 episodes. I don't think I'm going to watch any more (I really don't want to).

Edited March 15th by mariomguy

Yeah, I would have told you that Gurren Lagann is not the anime for you. It's an amazing shounen anime, not art hoe animation kino.

Watch Mu Shi Shi or summat.

Posted March 10th by nullfather

ostensibly obtuse characters


Um...what does this mean?

Production values are on the floor.


Not really. You're a tenderfoot.

Posted March 10th by nullfather

Um...what does this mean?

You don't think Kamina is obtuse?

Not really. You're a tenderfoot.

Episode 6 was almost entirely clips. Like... really?

I think a lot of people projected greatness from Avatar: The Last Airbender and fond memories of Trasformers on Gurren Lagann. The show itself has really poor production values. Compared to One Punch Man, or Children of The Whales, or Inuyasha? Yeah. The animation is nowhere near as great.

Posted March 10th by mariomguy

You don't think Kamina is obtuse?


What do you mean by "obtuse"?

Episode 6 was almost entirely clips. Like... really?


Yeah...you really have no idea.

I think a lot of people projected greatness from Avatar: The Last Airbender and fond memories of Trasformers on Gurren Lagann


I don't even know how you think that is possible, let alone plan to demonstrate this with actual evidence.

The show itself has really poor production values


Uh, no, it doesn't. What do you mean?

Posted March 10th by nullfather

What do you mean by "obtuse"?

Don't pretend you don't know what obtuse means. Absurdly stubborn and thick-headed. The guy who talks the most out of the group is always so full of himself.

I don't even know how you think that is possible, let alone plan to demonstrate this with actual evidence.

Gurren Lagaan came out during Avatar The Last Airbender's second season, at the peak of its heyday. Back then, dramatic and adventurous cartoons were not in strong supply, but there was a growing desire for it after Cartoon Network, Disney, and Nickelodeon simultaneously dropped their support for high-quality cartoons and shifted to supporting live action shows. The Michael Bay Transformers movies also started coming out around the same time. Had this show been released earlier or later, it would've had to compete with an influx of adventurous shows. It covered a very specific drought.

Uh, no, it doesn't. What do you mean?

Just watch episode six, knowing full well entire scenes are ripped from earlier episodes for no reason, and tell me how much you think the animation quality compares to Children of The Whales.

Posted March 11th by mariomguy

Don't pretend you don't know what obtuse means.


I know what it means, but you've used words in ways that I wouldn't before.

Anyway, why is it a problem that Kamina is obtuse?

Had this show been released earlier or later, it would've had to compete with an influx of adventurous shows. It covered a very specific drought.


OK...this sounds a lot like your typical "they didn't know any better" point that you use when talking about stuff that is popular but which you don't like.

Just watch episode six, knowing full well entire scenes are ripped from earlier episodes for no reason, and tell me how much you think the animation quality compares to Children of The Whales.


The animation quality of the series ranges from "adequate" to "good". It's not the best-animated anime, but it doesn't have the rock-bottom quality that you're implying - and having some padding doesn't change that. Re-using a piece of animation doesn't change the quality of the piece of animation. It is a point to consider when talking about the overall quality of the show, but it doesn't mean shit about how good the shot-to-shot animation is.

Anyway. Episode 6 was actually written as a full normal episode, but it was considered too raunchy to be run and thus had a lot of the content cut. It was re-cut into a clip show in order to make up the length.

Edited March 12th by nullfather

Anyway, why is it a problem that Kamina is obtuse?

He's the driving force of the show. There's no interplay or chemistry with the characters, it's just Kamina being obtuse and loudly proclaiming and expecting things, then others comment on it.

OK...this sounds a lot like your typical "they didn't know any better" point that you use when talking about stuff that is popular but which you don't like.

Or, it's a less typical "the show filled a niche at a time when the niche needed filling" point. How well do you think Guren Lagann would've competed earlier competing against Pokemon, the Powerpuff Girls, Justice League Unlimited, Spongebob, and Inuyasha, or at the other end Korra, TMNT 2012, MLP, and many others?

The animation quality of the series ranges from "adequate" to "good". It's not the best-animated anime, but it doesn't have the rock-bottom quality that you're implying

Children of The Whales:



Gurren Lagann (um, potential spoilers?):



Posted March 11th by mariomguy

It wouls have done fine considering it is meant for a completely different audience of people. I dont even like gurren

Posted March 11th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

He's the driving force of the show. There's no interplay or chemistry with the characters, it's just Kamina being obtuse and loudly proclaiming and expecting things, then others comment on it.


I guess the fact that most of the character writing in the show being about Simon's timidity and Kamina's determination clashing don't constitute interplay or chemistry. I guess the fact that Simon slowly learns how to be a man under Kamina's guidance doesn't constitute interplay or chemistry. I guess a young, impressionable Simon regularly getting swept up in the heroic dreams of Kamina, despite Simon's better consideration, don't constitute interplay or chemistry.

The show is literally about the interplay of Kamina and Simon's personalities as Simon matures, leaves his fear behind and learns how to take action.

How well do you think Guren Lagann would've competed earlier competing against Pokemon, the Powerpuff Girls, Justice League Unlimited, Spongebob, and Inuyasha, or at the other end Korra, TMNT 2012, MLP, and many others?


I don't know - and it doesn't matter. It's a decent anime regardless. Also, I like how almost all of your examples have massive fanbases while GL had to build one up out of nothing but publisher recognition. Even if the public didn't like GL as much as fucking Pokemon, what do you think that proves?

Also, the idea that GL and shows like Spongebob and MLP would be competing for a significant crossover audience is, at best, entirely daft.

Children of The Whales


I don't care. I never said that GL's animation was as good as whatever that is. Also, that doesn't look significantly better than GL anyway. I like how you put a trailer, something specifically meant to show the most attractive bits of a product, against a full scene. This is the essence of cherrypicking.Besides that, you're more uneducated than I thought if you think that studios don't retouch their trailers to look better than raw clips from the show.

The way you're trying to argue this is fuckin' stupid. There are a lot of very valid criticisms that one could level against GL, but this is not the way to do it.

(um, potential spoilers?)


Yes, if by "potential spoilers" you mean "unbelievably huge spoilers about a main character".

Edited March 12th by nullfather

The show is literally about the interplay of Kamina and Simon's personalities as Simon matures, leaves his fear behind and learns how to take action.

It's not THAT well done. Most of the shows I mentioned have way better character arcs: Retsuko, Inuyasha, Kagome...

Even if the public didn't like GL as much as fucking Pokemon, what do you think that proves?

I like to go big and bold with examples. But the point is I don't think the public and critic's reception of Gurren Lagann would've been as good had it come out sooner or later than it did because it'd be competing with tons of other shows in their prime.

Also, the idea that GL and shows like Spongebob and MLP would be competing for a significant crossover audience is, at best, entirely daft.

Gurren Lagann is a more light-hearted adventure with plenty of action and COMBINING. MLP and Spongebob are both light-hearted slice of life shows, but MLP also has a much more adventurous side and a rolling continuity and magic. I'd definitely say the kind of people interested in Gurren Lagann would probably be more interested in MLP and Spongebob than they would a show like As Told By Ginger or Hilda.

Yes, if by "potential spoilers" you mean "unbelievably huge spoilers about a main character".

Unfortunately, I struggle to find clips of these shows on Youtube that aren't manipulated AMVs or entire episodes.

If the dub made major changes to the show, then that would really explain why I dislike it. I watched One Punch Man with subtitles, but the rest were the dubbed versions.

Posted March 12th by mariomguy

not THAT well done. Most of the shows I mentioned have way better character arcs: Retsuko, Inuyasha, Kagome...

my dude you only watched 6 episodes. You do realize why that is an issue right.

Posted March 12th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

It's not THAT well done


You didn't criticize the quality of the interplay or chemistry, you said that there was none. Besides that, you have barely seen the character arc that you're criticizing.

If the dub made major changes to the show, then that would really explain why I dislike it.


It didn't even come out in Japan the way it was written, as far as I know.

Edited March 12th by nullfather

I definitely understand shows can and do get better as the first season progresses, and I never fault shows for a lousy pilot. But at this rate something ASTRONOMICALLY AMAZING has to happen to put this series up with the likes of One Punch Man. So far I haven't seen anything that shows me this show deserves the accolades it receives. Everything from the writing, dialogue, acting, art, and music is second rate. The premise is somewhat intriguing, but only on a surface level. There seems to be nothing deeper, here.

Inuyasha was gripping within the first few episodes. Aggretsuko was gripping in the first few minutes. One Punch Man had a near-perfect pilot. And Children of The Whales sucked me into its world right away. With the number of episodes I watched, One Punch Man would be nearing the end of the Sea King arc, Retsuko would be starting a romance, and Inuyasha would've slayed the hair demon, fought his brother, and found the Tetsusaiga. Same point in Gurren Lagann? They're battling monsters that control robots, and maybe have an idea where their headquarters might be.

When I say there is better elsewhere, I really do mean it. There is much better elsewhere.

Posted March 12th by mariomguy

It didn't even come out in Japan the way it was written, as far as I know.

Most likely the show was never intended to be Shonen, it was intended to be a more mature story, but some executive thought "Main character's a kid! Fighting robots! SHONEN!" Ugh.

Of all the shows I listed, only Gurren Lagann requires effort to pay attention. The rest were all gripping.

Posted March 12th by mariomguy

Oh yes I am sure spongebob and Pokemon are very gripping /s

Isn't burden a multi season 15+ episode show? I dont think you shoild compare that to something like one punch man which is only 9-13 episodes long.

Also it is stupid to compare 6 episodes of one show to a show that you watched in its entirety.

Posted March 12th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

I already said the same amount of time dedicated to each show, Guren Lagann was the weakest. I've already seen 2 hours of Gurren, a couple more episodes and that would literally be all of Aggretsuko. A couple more, and that's Children of The Whales and One Punch Man, and Inuyasha up to the soul demon piper and the vengeful child ghost, arguably one of the greatest episodes of anime I've ever seen.

This is why I don't think more time will fix Gurren Lagann. Something absolutely astonishing has to happen for this show to shoot up the ranks. It needs to punch a meteor.

Posted March 12th by mariomguy

But at this rate something ASTRONOMICALLY AMAZING has to happen to put this series up with the likes of One Punch Man


I wouldn't put it on the same shelf as OPM. They do significantly different things. The only similarity that they have is the "overpowered" aspect that GL gets into at the end of the series.

Everything from the writing, dialogue, acting, art, and music is second rate.


Depends on what you mean by "second rate". If you mean "not literally the best", then yes.

The premise is somewhat intriguing, but only on a surface level. There seems to be nothing deeper, here.


Actually, GL's dealing with masculinity and heroism is a lot more in-depth than most shounen. Just because it's not deconstructive like OPM is doesn't make it shallow or bad.

Same point in Gurren Lagann? They're battling monsters that control robots, and maybe have an idea where their headquarters might be.


Because a lot of the interest is based around the manly relationship between Simon and Kamina while the Gunmen are a background tool to facilitate that interaction.

I showed my roomie GL and he was hooked immediately. But we are big manly men who like manly anime like JJBA, Hokuto no Ken and Berserk.

When I say there is better elsewhere, I really do mean it. There is much better elsewhere.


OK...GL isn't the best shounen ever.

Most likely the show was never intended to be Shonen, it was intended to be a more mature story, but some executive thought "Main character's a kid! Fighting robots! SHONEN!" Ugh.


Uh, not really...the reason that the episode was recut was because they planned to show a lot of skin and the network vetoed it.

Of all the shows I listed, only Gurren Lagann requires effort to pay attention. The rest were all gripping.


Of all the shows you listed, you personally found GL to not be gripping.

I already said the same amount of time dedicated to each show, Guren Lagann was the weakest. I've already seen 2 hours of Gurren, a couple more episodes and that would literally be all of Aggretsuko.


It boggles my mind that, despite doing work as an artist, you still say things that betray a deep ignorance of context. If something is written to be played out over multiple seasons, then it is naturally going to have a vastly different pace than a miniseries.

This is why I don't think more time will fix Gurren Lagann. Something absolutely astonishing has to happen for this show to shoot up the ranks. It needs to punch a meteor.


Dude...over the course of the full series, GL blows up into an unbelievable adventure and an explosive finale. But, as ridiculous as it gets, it doesn't just dump that on you. The massive power (literal and figurative) of the series is rooted in the growth of Simon as a person and as a warrior. What you say is literally the exact opposite of what is true.

It's not a fucking kids show that shits out dime-a-dozen self-contained episodes for manchildren with 23-minute attention spans.

Posted March 12th by nullfather

Actually, GL's dealing with masculinity and heroism is a lot more in-depth than most shounen. Just because it's not deconstructive like OPM is doesn't make it shallow or bad.

Doing GL's trope straight is just so obvious. Either something happens in the show that puts some sort of a spin on this, or else I don't know what the writers intended. Just do things, don't worry about the consequence, figure it out, and you might have a chance? That's hardly interesting, even if it is somewhat true.

It boggles my mind that, despite doing work as an artist, you still say things that betray a deep ignorance of context. If something is written to be played out over multiple seasons, then it is naturally going to have a vastly different pace than a miniseries.

Inuyasha lasted 8 seasons, 26 episodes a season. MLP will finish at 9 seasons. The Simpsons lasts for freaking ever. All of these shows had at least one very good episode in the first half of their first season. The best episode of GL (for me) was the village that was taught gunmen were gods, and it was again more for the intriguing premise than actually good execution.

Also, DO NOT knock Spongebob.



Posted March 12th by mariomguy

Oh yes I am sure spongebob and Pokemon are very gripping /s

Hey now, the first few seasons of pokemon and the first couple movies, back when they had a writing budget, were very emotional and the voice acting was wonderful. Meowth's back story, as well as James' was interesting and heartstring-pulling. Like yeah, the anime went to hell eventually (probably after pokemon johto) but that doesn't mean it was never good. The English intro song to Indigo League is second to none.

Edited March 12th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

The funny thing is budget has nothing to do with it. Stephen Hillenburg directed Spongebob up through season 3 and the first movie. He left after that. Executives pumped more money into Spongebob, and it got more zany after that. The characters became cardboard cutouts and the writing lost its strength, not to mention the idea became stale. He came back for the 9th season, but I haven't watched enough to compare that season vs. the rest. But the first 3 seasons are cultural touchstones for sure.

The Indigo League likely had a much smaller budget than the newer episodes of Pokemon, but again, the brunt of the focus was on the writing and the characters. I have to say the show hasn't gotten worse, it just changed. It got way less serious and dramatic, the "telling" and internal monologue became more prominent, and more focus is put on showing new Pokemon. In spite of that, the battle between Ash and Sawyer in the Pokemon League was the best fight I've ever seen the series put out. And the arc between Ash and Greninja was WAY better than Indigo's Butterfree. And the season premiere of XY was very good, along with the early episodes of Sun and Moon, and some select episodes throughout the Black and White series, particularly the train.

Posted March 12th by mariomguy

You just have to start a war with everyone don't you? Count me out and leave Ash's fucking Butterfree alone. 10 year old me is shooting spitballs at you.

Edited March 12th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

That's hardly interesting, even if it is somewhat true.


Your facile understanding of Kamina's divine madness does not reflect the investment of many other people.

This is one of those situations where you have a little objective criticism and a lot of personal irreverence - but you mix the two up without a single thought.

All of these shows had at least one very good episode in the first half of their first season


And GL had episodes that people loved within the first six...

Also, DO NOT knock Spongebob.


I actually really like SpongeBob. But it's nothing close to GL, JJBA, HnK, etc.

This is because it's a goofy show for kids.

Posted March 13th by nullfather

Dude... 10 year old you was probably amazed by MS Paint. Same for me. I watched the Indigo League as a kid and again now, and I have to say the show was good, but not that good. New episodes to the show were scarce back then, and there wasn't anything else like it (...pretending Digimon doesn't exist). I'd much rather squash the hate on new Pokemon than do anything to bring the old one down. At least when Pokemon aged it got more refined, even if it's not as dramatic as it once was.

Posted March 13th by mariomguy

Your facile understanding of Kamina's divine madness does not reflect the investment of many other people.

I get the philosophy, I just don't see how people can think this show does it well. Kamina's stubbornness and go-get-'em attitude is more annoying than helpful. Twice he had to be saved by the girl, but if the show was trying to make a statement on that stubbornness being a bad idea why prevent him from suffering the consequences of his actions? The show is trying to make it a good idea even though he never succeeds.

Writing 101: have a point and prove it, or persuade against it. The writing in GL fails to accomplish either. Kamina just does things and every now and then the show tries to form some philosophy out of it, only for that philosophy to fail in the same episode. Compared to Aggretsuko where the idea of masquerades, facade, repression, and appearance are permeating themes at the heart of every episode, every character, and every arc. We are shown how this can be a good thing, a bad thing, and a deeply ironic and tragic thing. If Aggretsuko is deep, GL is definitely surface level.

Posted March 13th by mariomguy

You're missing something: the fact that GL is a big dick anime that doesn't apologize for its heroes.

I could legitimately open a thread on the implied heroic philosophy of how Kamina is written - and how relatively unique he is in this age of neurotic wimps that are presented as heroes.

Posted March 13th by nullfather

MS Paint was/is awesome. Especially for me since I was an artist and I made animations.

Posted March 13th by I killed Mufasa
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Dude... 10 year old you was probably amazed by MS Paint. Same for me.


MS Paint was/is awesome. Especially for me since I was an artist and I made animations.


I mean, MS Paint is the foundation of one of the largest cultural phenomena of this generation. Without MS Paint, there is no MS Paint Adventures - no Homestuck.

Posted March 13th by nullfather

I could legitimately open a thread on the implied heroic philosophy of how Kamina is written - and how relatively unique he is in this age of neurotic wimps that are presented as heroes.
this would be way more interesting than The Adventures of "Didn't Watch It, Don't Get It, Let's Preach About It"

Posted March 13th by Pirate_Ninja

Watched 2 hours. Didn't care for it.

Posted March 13th by mariomguy

Watched 2 hours. Didn't care for it.


Thank you.

Posted March 13th by nullfather

and that's your right. Hopefully you don't feel that you wasted your time, at least.

out of curiosity, how are you choosing your shows? List of recommendations/ratings taken from somewhere? Just looking at what's available on your platform of choice and picking whatever piques your interest?

Posted March 14th by Pirate_Ninja

I watched 12 episodes of it and it wasnt for me. I wss surprised i didnt like it. It seemed like an anime for me at the time.

Posted March 14th by S.o.h.
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and that's your right. Hopefully you don't feel that you wasted your time, at least.

...2 stars. It wasn't totally wasted, but it was pretty disappointing, given the premise.

My friend was really big in anime, but he said after a while they all start to seem the same. That's kind of sad to hear, because the initial group of shows I watched all contributed something very, very different.

out of curiosity, how are you choosing your shows?

I literally just wait for Netflix to recommend me something. If it looks intriguing, I'll watch it. I'll take some direct recommendations from friends: Little Witch Academia and Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, and surprisingly One Punch Man was a recommendation. Was not disappointed! One of my other friends also recommended Fullmetal Alchemist, but I haven't gotten around to that one yet.

I found some lists that mentioned shows I know I don't like, or put shows I think are really good toward the bottom with entirely different selections up top, so I can't really trust them.

Posted March 14th by mariomguy

One of my other friends also recommended Fullmetal Alchemist, but I haven't gotten around to that one yet.
FMA is a pretty great one, and I'd say FMA: Brotherhood is even better (it seems like most people agree, but not everyone)

both series are adaptations of the same story, but the plot diverges significantly along the way. The original FMA was created alongside the manga version of the story, and eventually caught up to the point that it got its own plot moving forward (since they wanted to keep going, but there was no more source material to pull from). Brotherhood came out later, and is more faithful to the manga. And as more serious shows go, Brotherhood is a personal favorite of mine.

I found some lists that mentioned shows I know I don't like,
well now I'm extra curious. Any names to share? Are you basing some/all of it on genres/elements you want to actively avoid?

Posted March 14th by Pirate_Ninja

Vic Mignogna really got served a cold dish. He was fantastic in FMA and RWBY.

Posted March 14th by I killed Mufasa
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Some lists had Samurai Champloo and Jojo's Bizzare Adventure very high up. I saw the pilot of Champloo with a friend, and it was honestly horrible. I can't judge a show by its pilot, which got me curious if later episodes do a 180, but if not, that's just a terrible list. And Jojo's Bizzare Adventure makes far too many missteps for a best of all time list.

Again, maybe the awkward parts get toned down, but knowing how shows tend to evolve over time, certain things are just ingrained as part of the style for the series. The stuff that tends to improve and evolve over time is the character chemistry and central themes/purpose. Writing issues/styles like lots and lots of internal monologue and telling tends to stick around for a while.

Posted March 14th by mariomguy

And Jojo's Bizzare Adventure makes far too many missteps for a best of all time list


JJBA is easily in my top ten anime, but I actually appreciate what it's doing. No, it wouldn't make the top ten in a pretentious art hoe list.

Posted March 14th by nullfather

What is a pretentious art hoe list?

Posted March 14th by I killed Mufasa
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Im watching the most recent version of star blazets and enjoying it quite a bit.

My two top anime are hunter x hunter and my hero academia (HxH s several hundred pegs up)

Edited March 14th by S.o.h
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Art style matters to me more than plot usually. But Sword Art Online has a great art style and I hated it. I thought it was a fantastic concept executed absolutely pathetically. The writing was a disgrace and Kirito is perhaps my most hated anime protagonist ever.

I wouldn't enjoy an anime like One Piece, Bleach, or Jojo's just simply because of the art direction. Even if they're fantastic.

Edited March 14th by I killed Mufasa
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I like Aggretsuko, so I'm hardly an art hoe. I can appreciate different things, I'd just like those things to be written and executed well. Jojo's Bizzare Adventure spends so much time on internal monologue it's basically half the show, if not more.

Posted March 14th by mariomguy

If we re-rated this list by art alone:

Little Witch Academia -
Children of the Whales -
Inuyasha - - Though the art is dated, the quality and production values still shine through.
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure -
One Punch Man -
Samurai Champloo -
Gurren Lagann -
Aggretsuko -

Edited March 17th by mariomguy

I have to admit, if I didn't grow up with Dragon Ball Z I'd skip it too based on art direction. I don't really like Toriyama's drawing style.

Posted March 14th by I killed Mufasa
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My top anime by art direction:

#6 Sword Art Online (hate every other aspect of it)
#5 Naruto
#4 Fullmetal Alchemist (And Brotherhood)
#3 Inu Yasha
#2 Psycho-Pass
#1 Death Note

And I understand that this is a filthy casual cop out list from the surface. But the reason why these anime ARE casual is because they can be appreciated by anyone who likes smooth animation style and well-drawn likable-looking characters.

I would throw in Nomura's Final Fantasy, Team Ninja's Dead or Alive, and Atlus' Persona games as well. They just look crisp and done with love. Near-anime that make this list are Avatar/Korra and RWBY.

Edited March 14th by I killed Mufasa
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Little Witch Academy -

A young girl attends a school for witches. Only problem: she's the only one who hasn't descended from a long line of witches, and she can't even fly a broom! This show immediately has broad appeal and its conflict is recognizable by anyone who ever had difficulties in college. The show has a lot of Western influences and the story arc manages to be adventurous both on a large scale and a personal one as well. Breathtaking visuals, great writing, and a plot twist we all saw coming paired with another twist we didn't makes the second season finale all the more enthralling, this is every bit what a perfect anime should accomplish. A high bar for Netflix and shows to come.

As far as constructive criticism goes, it seems any change I'd suggest to improve one aspect would end up upsetting the balance of what already works well. The technomagic in season 2 creates a sudden swerve for the mood of the show, but everything was done that way for a purpose. Stepping back and viewing the show as a whole it achieved everything it set out to do. Even the weakest episodes and points made for some very pleasant viewing. It might not be the most inspirational story ever, but it's definitely the most fun.

Edited March 25th by mariomguy

I really thought someone was gonna trash my casuals but no one cares. :P

Posted March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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I mean, a good show is a good show. Doesn't matter if it's popular or not. I think you'd be more trashed if you said you hated it.

As I'm seeing more anime, I'm starting to rethink my rating system. Maybe One Punch Man deserves a low 5 stars, and Inuyasha a strong 4. If you rate a show by its best season or period, then sure Inuyasha keeps the 5 stars for a very strong first season and start of the second. But after a while it gets repetitive. And a lot of what makes One Punch Man is specifically the deconstruction of anime, which makes it all the more unique and better the more versed you are.

I like to think of ratings as tiers. A 4-star show may be more interesting to you than a 5-star one, but the 5-star one is more handsomely produced and has better writing.

Posted March 25th by mariomguy

Like digimon looks great and has a nice art style but the fact that they play the same digi-evolution animations every episiode and they take up half the episode is completely unforgivable. That's why pokemon indigo league was always objectively superior to digimon season 1.

Edited March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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Oooo lad just going to drop in and say that its okay to be wrong.

Digimon season 1 is far better than Pokemon.

And no the digivolutions did not take half an episode.



Posted March 25th by S.o.h.
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Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed digimon season 1. I'd give it an 8/10. I just think they overused the transformation gimmick and they could have probably abbreviated it some of the time. That's more of a quality of life issue than me actually harping on the series. Similar to how in DBZ a single kamehameha or spirit bomb could take multiple or even half a dozen epsiodes to finish.

It didn't technically ruin how awesome the kamehameha was. But back then when it was one episode a day, you sometimes had to wait a week or more to keep things moving. If digimon had shortened it's "epic transformations" or did them less, then the show could have progressed at a much smoother pace. It really sucked back when there were commercials and one episode of digimon per day.

Edited March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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I can't possibly exalt digimon over pokemon though. I've played pokemon since I was freaking 10. I haven't cared about digimon since season 3 started. Pokemon is a component of my life even today. Digimon is a blip in my history.

Edited March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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Cool season 1 is still better than the Pokemon anime. The only saving grace of the series is tje Pokemon movie.

I find the games to be trash. I tried multiple times to get into them but each time I realized they were not for me.

Digimon world 3 was a far better game than any of the Pokemon games I played.

Keep in mind I am looking at DW3 with some series nostalgia glasses. It probrably is trash as well.

Edited March 25th by S.o.h.
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I can't even imagine a world where pokemon games are trash. They're part of my identity. I'll admit though, digimon games were expensive and I never owned them. I did play digimon datasquad on ps2 briefly and I have one of the ps vita games. I know from friends though that the series peaked on ps1 and I do want to play them at some point.

There's no need for low blows like "trash". That's obviously objectively false or pokemon wouldn't be so popular and such a big IP. I'd prefer you give me a technical reason why you don't like them rather than stooping to ad hominems. I did that for the digimon anime after all.

Edited March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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Eh I'm dyslexic so I misused "ad hominem" so this is what I mean. I'd rather you take intelligent hits at the pokemon games and tell me why you think they're bad rather than just using a blanket statement calling them trash.

Posted March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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Thr formula has stayed the same for years. There is no story. No interesting characters. As time went on the hand holding increased. Just because something is popular doesnt mean its good.

Nostalgia also plays a big part of it. I find the series to be trash. So much more can be done with thr series to make it interesting. If you enjoy it good for you. I don't care for it.

And idk about digimon peaking during the ps1 era. The vita games are good from what I read.

Posted March 25th by S.o.h
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Your first point is factually inaccurate. Competitive pokemon has evolved every generation with different mechanics being introduced each time. The formula, 4 attacks and turn based hasn't changed, but they added in abilities, and items, z-moves, mega evolutions, different types, and literally dozens of new pokemon every generation and it's a very rich and complex game when you get right down to it.

The story does suck and the hand holding has gotten worse. I agree. There are some interesting characters. There's literally hundreds of human pokemon characters so they can't all be boring.

Pokemon is kinda like Mario and Zelda in that you make your own story. You decide what kind of trainer you want to be. The games with the best story are probably silver/gold/crystal, ruby/sapphire and pokemon collosseum/xd. Aside from that you're critique on story is completely valid and there are an annoying amount of npc hand-holding interferences in the later games. I haven't even pulled my copy of ultra sun out of the packaging yet because of that.

I usually just play competitive pokes on pokemon showdown because it's the same game without the stupid campaign.







Edited March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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I don't care much for the competitive aspect of it. It never clicked with me. Realistically what good is such a large roster of Pokemon when every oje isngoing to choose the one ones with the best stats?

Even when I play my team is mostly composed of my favorites.

Totodile, phanpy, gengar, jolteon etc.

Over all its not for me. Call me when they make one that has an engaging single player story.

Posted March 25th by S.o.h.
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Actually some pokemon with good stats are bad. Stealth rock, for instance makes Articuno uncompetitive in OU even though it's stats and typing should make it good. The metagame is ever shifting. Pokemon get banned from OU if they are seen as ruining the game or making it unbalanced. I mean if you're not into competitive then no the games wouldn't offer you much. In fact they wouldn't offer much to anyone older than about 12 years old unless you like competitive play.

That's because foolishly, Nintendo doesn't seem to understand that Millennials want a darker, grittier pokemon. Millennials grew up with pokemon, we're what made it so big, yet they keep marketing it to small children and they throw in the competitive game so that we'll still begrudgingly buy it because competitive play is awesome.

Try Pokemon Colosseum for gamecube if you want the best pokemon storyline. You start with Umbreon and Espeon and get a totodile/croconaw pretty early on.

Posted March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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Here is a list of pokemon that are currently good in OU:
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/formats/ou/

Posted March 25th by I killed Mufasa
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^ Wasn't that the whole ideology behind Pokemon Black and White, as well as Pokemon XYZ? A darker, edgier Pokemon?

Of course the series is always kid-friendly at its core. It's never going to lose that. It's part of the charm.

Posted March 26th by mariomguy

It would be nice to have an optional dlc that just makes the plot more mature.

Posted March 26th by I killed Mufasa
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^ I think you'd like Pokemon The Movie: I Choose You. It's a darker take, and it does wash out a bit towards the end, but the ride up there is beautiful.

Posted March 27th by mariomguy

Is that the full version with the little girl?

Jurassic World 2 totally copied the plot.

Posted March 27th by I killed Mufasa
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Just ignore what I said. I thought it was the full version of the pokemon first movie (which actually is dark).

Edited March 27th by I killed Mufasa
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It's this one. Yet another retelling of Kanto, but steering towards Ash meeting Ho-oh, challenging his ideals of Pokemon as friends and the meaning of strength.



Posted March 27th by mariomguy

Fullmetal Alchemist -

Wow. Just, wow! Fullmetal Alchemist is a gripping ride of a young boy and his brother trying to revive their mother using alchemy. Throughout the series the law of equivalent exchange becomes a mantra, a curse, and also a lie. The boys meet many great characters as the older brother joins the military in exchange for greater access to alchemy knowledge, only to find himself heading down a rabbit hole with seemingly no end in sight.

Everything the series does is brilliant, from the characterization to the pacing, dialogue, concept, and execution of the writing, together with some arresting visuals, it pulls off everything it does superbly. However, it becomes apparent the story struggles to resolve in the end. Halfway through, the excellent pacing diminishes. In spite of that error, the rest of the show is a masterpiece. I'm tempted to give 6 stars if it wasn't for the flaws in the end.

Edited April 4th by mariomguy

Im surprised you havent watched the greatest anime of all time. Hunter X Hunter

Posted April 4th by S.o.h.
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Hunter X Hunter isn't even Yoshihiro Togashi's best work. YYH is much better.

Posted April 5th by Jubei
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glad you enjoyed FMA, since I kinda echoed the recommendation (and still say FMA:Brotherhood did it better). It'd be sorta interesting (and appropriate?) if the point where you felt the pacing went downhill happened to be the point I mentioned where the plot diverged (I forget around when it happened; it's been a pretty long time). And while it was definitely interesting, I never liked the ending of FMA all that much (while I adored Brotherhood's). I don't know if I'd watch them too close together (or if you'd mind one way or the other), but if you liked the world/characters and all that, I'd totally recommend checking it out sometime.


Im surprised you havent watched the greatest anime of all time. Hunter X Hunter
I've been watching the Toonami airings and it really varies from "oh shit can't wait for next week" to "what the fuck was that you just wasted my time on?"

for a point of reference to where they are:


Posted April 5th by Pirate_Ninja

YYH show may be nore iconic but it is not better. The latter half of the show becomes painfully bad from what I remember.

@PN yeah it slows down a bit after that. But still worth a watch the only issue is that the series is on going. I don't think we will ever get an end to it.

Posted April 5th by S.o.h.
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I loved FMA, yeah, until the plot diverged. Still loved it, but it lost that brilliant shine. The ending was wholly unsatisfactory. I wanted to give it a system-breaking 6 stars, but not when it trails off and ends on a weird whimper.

That being said, I watched Brotherhood a bit, but I wasn't anywhere near as impressed as I was with the original FMA. FMA was more involved and hit hard. It was mysterious, serious, and reveled in it. But brotherhood is just another anime.

Posted April 6th by mariomguy

well I mean, if you watched "a bit" of it, after having already just been exposed to the plot and everything in the earlier version...

Posted April 6th by Pirate_Ninja

The funny thing is I only saw a few episodes of the original, then switched to Brotherhood at the request of my friend, but the original was obviously better. At least what I saw. Brotherhood looked like a cookie cutter anime by comparison. It was too much all at once to really build intrigue.

Posted April 6th by mariomguy

I may be wrong but they are literally the same anime for the bulk of the series. The original goes off the rails at the end because the manga was on going but brother hood staued faithful to the manga.

Posted April 6th by S.omh.
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Posted April 6th by Cruinn-Annuin

LOL, they might be derived from the same source material, but the first two episodes of the original anime were compressed in one in Brotherhood. As a result the punches don't land as hard as they used to, and the story is rushed through. Faithfulness to the source material does not automatically make a show better.

Posted April 6th by mariomguy

You complained about the minor fluff in Gurren Lagann and then gave the fluffed-up version of an anime a five-star rating and said that it's superior to the tighter, less padded, more action-packed version.

When will you finally admit that you like what you like instead of trying to come up with bullshit reasons that your opinion is right?

Posted April 7th by Cruinn-Annuin

I thought the ending of brotherhood, and by extension the manga, was kind of weak. FMA was one of those animes I'd rather see go on for years in endless turmoil. Concluding it ruined it. Similar to how concluding Naruto ruined Naruto. Nobody wants to see dorky hokage Naruto just have his arm grown back after how vicious the removal of it was.



Edited April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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Concluding naruto didn't ruin it. The shitty ending they did ruined it. They could have done it some much better

I'm on My Hero Academia now.

Posted April 7th by S.o.h.
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Naruto isn't even really concluded. Boruto might as well be called Bore-uto though.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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complains about concluding naruto


follows up and says it is not concluded


wtf.jpg

Posted April 7th by S.o.h.
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I never took a debating class so fuck off.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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They concluded anything I cared about. Replaced Naruto with an ignorant little shit who doesn't respect what his dad did for the world. Set said ignorant little shit's game difficulty on easy and gave him a prodigy/dumbass persona that doesn't work well. He's good at everything, and yet he sucks at common sense.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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Fuck off.


no.

Woah this is the first thread I've seen with 100+ replies in a long time.

Edited April 7th by S.o.h.
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I actually would like to see naruto be given the Kai treatment. Streamline the hell out of it.

Posted April 7th by A.o.h.
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Why do you keep using two usernames?

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I never log in so I just type my name. I am successful 50 percent of the time

Posted April 7th by S.o h.
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Hey that's a pretty good k/d.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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^lol

FMA was one of those animes I'd rather see go on for years in endless turmoil.
no no no no no no

stories that drag on forever without resolution are obnoxious as all hell. If you want to wrap everything up and then start a new story arc with the same characters/world (I don't know if that's what you meant originally), that's all right as long as you can keep it entertaining/interesting. But I don't want to go through decades of "evil guy is doing bad things we must stop him" and "oh gosh will X and Y ever admit they secretly like each other" and dragging things along interminably with periodic filler arcs.


The funny thing is I only saw a few episodes of the original, then switched to Brotherhood at the request of my friend, but the original was obviously better. At least what I saw. Brotherhood looked like a cookie cutter anime by comparison. It was too much all at once to really build intrigue.
lol...good lord, you really do end up doing stuff in the strangest ways, huh? (not intentionally, and it's not a criticism)

so you watched the start of FMA, then the start of FMA:B, then decided to continue with FMA because you liked it more. Sure, fine. It's been a long time, but I seem to remember thinking that the pacing of Brotherhood was kinda weird at first. There'a a ton of stuff in FMA:B that FMA doesn't even touch, though, and when compared in their entirety I prefer Brotherhood by a long shot.

Posted April 7th by Pirate_Ninja

I guess I just didn't like how it ended. The final battle didn't have the scale or stakes that I would have liked. Maybe I'm just used to Naruto or Dragonball Z bosses. I stopped being impressed around the time Pride got trapped in the cave. The pacing after that left a lot to be desired, and found the rest of the series a slog after finding the first part of it quite excellent. That final battle though was just so underwhelming for me.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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You complained about the minor fluff in Gurren Lagann and then gave the fluffed-up version of an anime a five-star rating and said that it's superior to the tighter, less padded, more action-packed version.

So, there's a difference between fluff and time to properly build up and flesh out the story. FMA spoilers below:



With extra time you can develop characters, you can develop the story, you can insert more angles of looking at the problem and better control a massive/ambitious project. A lean story that doesn't have proper development just rams through characters and events without any of them ever feeling important. An ideal story has constant development and strong impact, and the very best stories are able to make every line of dialogue count. Fullmetal Achemist's first series did this very well in its first half, though it waned later on. Brotherhood, however, starts of speeding through and the punches don't land anywhere near as hard as they once did.

Posted April 7th by mariomguy

Some of the filler in DBZ for example is hilarious. And some of it really builds up minor characters.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
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From what I heard


Are you not even basing your opinion on something that you personally experienced?

So, there's a difference between fluff and time to properly build up and flesh out the story.


Brotherhood, however, starts of speeding through and the punches don't land anywhere near as hard as they once did.


And yet you complained severely about Gurren Lagann not going anywhere, completely ignorant of the character development and consistent action happening.

Posted April 17th by Cruinn-Annuin

And yet you complained severely about Gurren Lagann not going anywhere, completely ignorant of the character development and consistent action happening.

I complained about a lot of things in Gurren Lagann. Kamina constantly needed saving by a girl, but he continues to ramble on like we're supposed to learn something from him, even though he never learns anything from his mistakes and other people have to pick up the slack. The show gives him plot armor that's totally unjustified, and they just kind of stumble into things rather than taking control of the story, which gives me little reason to care for it anyways. The antithesis of this kind of storytelling would be something like Avatar: The Last Airbender, where the stakes are high, conflict is rife, Anng is in control of his actions but faces insurmountable obstacles, making decisions based off of what's happening around him, those decisions actually lead somewhere, and he actually experiences real growth as a character. Or you can see this happen in a more concise package in Aggretsuko.

Posted April 19th by mariomguy
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